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Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Post by unglaublich »

enasterosophes wrote: post #238
zasdffaa wrote: post #217

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I've just spent 2 years writing something which ain't got anything else like it. It was technically pretty difficult and needed a lot of background knowledge. Should I be disallowed to commercialise it? I partly get where you stand but if I was in a society that you seem to endorse my first question would be, other than for the love of doing it, why sink so much effort into a thing only to get nothing back. It almost…

>Should I be disallowed to commercialise it? No one said anything about disallowing you from doing anything. >my first question would be, other than for the love of doing it, why sink so much effort into a thing only to get nothing back. Is it wise to sink your time into something you don't really like doing?

> Is it wise to sink your time into something you don't really like doing? If it pays your bills and gives you spare time to do what you like, then often yes.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Post by zasdffaa »

enasterosophes wrote: post #238
zasdffaa wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've just spent 2 years writing something which ain't got anything else like it. It was technically pretty difficult and needed a lot of background knowledge. Should I be disallowed to commercialise it? I partly get where you stand but if I was in a society that you seem to endorse my first question would be, other than for the love of doing it, why sink so much effort into a thing only to get nothing back. It almost…

>Should I be disallowed to commercialise it? No one said anything about disallowing you from doing anything. >my first question would be, other than for the love of doing it, why sink so much effort into a thing only to get nothing back. Is it wise to sink your time into something you don't really like doing?

But I loved creating it - I said so! But that alone would not drive me to do it nearly as much as getting a more tangible benefit.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Post by xavriley »

visarga wrote: post #174
daniel_reetz wrote: post #113

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Google Books, like so many Google projects, had a dual purpose. Making books accessible is noble and on-mission. But more importantly natural language models can be trained on the scanned corpus. The same was true of the original GOOG 411, which provided a free service, but was really put in place to train up their voice recognition projects. This is a long running strategy of Google, and it's a shrewd one. The main…

That can't be true, Google Books was 15 years prior to the advent of large language models. Until 2020 nobody could train on such a large collection. I think Google initially wanted to augment the web results with a large book collection to get "all the world information and make it searchable", same with Google News.

At the time Google Books started, “big data” was in vogue and there were data-driven ML approaches to NLP e.g. word2vec, that would have benefited from a large corpus

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Post by enasterosophes »

zasdffaa wrote: post #242
enasterosophes wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Should I be disallowed to commercialise it? No one said anything about disallowing you from doing anything. >my first question would be, other than for the love of doing it, why sink so much effort into a thing only to get nothing back. Is it wise to sink your time into something you don't really like doing?

But I loved creating it - I said so! But that alone would not drive me to do it nearly as much as getting a more tangible benefit.

There are other business models than waiting on possible royalties, if you feel the need for additional incentives. People use patreon, eg.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Post by enasterosophes »

unglaublich wrote: post #241
enasterosophes wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Should I be disallowed to commercialise it? No one said anything about disallowing you from doing anything. >my first question would be, other than for the love of doing it, why sink so much effort into a thing only to get nothing back. Is it wise to sink your time into something you don't really like doing?

> Is it wise to sink your time into something you don't really like doing? If it pays your bills and gives you spare time to do what you like, then often yes.

So you're betting your rent money on future royalties which might never appear even if piracy were impossible?

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Post by noselasd »

plmu wrote: post #210

Excellent. I hope more and more people start to see how absurd and evil the concept of "intellectual property" is. It should be totally rejected and any form of keeping useful information for yourself should be shunned and tabooized. In todays world, many have been programmed to believe that the would could not exits without such immoral restrictions, which is horrible.

Most people writing books, e.g. these, https://www.oreilly.com/ would not do so if they could not monetize it - which would be even harder if there was no legal protection of the work they did. I don't like your idea at all.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Post by trasz »

UkrainianJew wrote: post #188
betwixthewires wrote: post #115

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They can't take it down.

They can and will use legal means to go after anyone trying to use the network this way in order to make the content less discoverable and discourage others from following suit. Being coined as the Napster on Blockchain is the worst possible PR one can think of in their situation.

I suspect Russia could now help with this one :-)

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Post by sgift »

zasdffaa wrote: post #239
cookiengineer wrote: post #224

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If you as a private person own a patent, you are losing it anyways...because you cannot fight some mega corporation in court to defend it. It's too expensive, and the biggest corps just take what they want due to having more financial resources. Note that if you don't defend it in court, our justice system thinks it is less valueable to protect. Which in itself is kind of ridiculous. Also, right to commercialization…

> If you as a private person own a patent, you are losing it anyways There's always someone who just has to spread the despair and helplessness. Every bloody time. Tell me, in what way does this add to the discussion? I wish there was a ban on these kind of comments. > right to commercialization has nothing to do with intellectual property. I don't understand. If I don't own it I can't market it, right?

> There's always someone who just has to spread the despair and helplessness. Every bloody time. Tell me, in what way does this add to the discussion? I wish there was a ban on these kind of comments.

It you only want answers you like go talk to a mirror. The way this adds to the discussion should be pretty obvious, but let me spill it out: If one of the main arguments for IP is wrong it's costs/benefits have to be reevaluated.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #158
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #117

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The answer is no. There was a Cloudflare article on ECH a while back that mentioned the fallibility of using reverse DNS, but I am having trouble locating it. In any event, the people working on ECH have coined a term called the "anonymity set". Below is a Cloudflare article that uses this term. https://blog.cloudflare.com/handshake-encryption-endgame-an-... The "anonymity set" refers to the number of possible domain…

I will bet 10$ that with reverse DNS + DPI to try to suss out page size and caching behaviour you can identify anyone accessing this website and downloading the 7TB database.

No one has to "access this website" because they can read its contents in Internet Archive, Common Crawl, Google Cache, etc. Page size and caching behaviour will not work if the person is using HTTP/1.1 pipelining to request multiple pages from a variety of websites from Internet Archive, over a single TCP connection. (Using CDX API not HTML form at Wayback Machine page.)

The 7TB is via torrent, not via HTTPS. No rDNS needed.

Re: Pirate Library Mirror: Preserving 7TB of books (that are not in Libgen)

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Post by [deleted] »

trasz wrote: post #247
UkrainianJew wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can and will use legal means to go after anyone trying to use the network this way in order to make the content less discoverable and discourage others from following suit. Being coined as the Napster on Blockchain is the worst possible PR one can think of in their situation.

I suspect Russia could now help with this one :-)

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