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The most livable cities

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Post by tremon »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #239
exitb wrote: post #23

> Other cities affected by the contagion of war, such as Budapest and Warsaw, saw their stability scores slip as geopolitical tensions increased. Meanwhile, kids in American schools are getting shot at, but yeah, Warsaw is definitely less livable than any large US city.

Wars kill far more people than school shootings, just not in the US and just not lately. I don't think Poland and Hungary have a high probability of entering a war, but it is a small percentage increase multiplied by a devastating outcome.

I don't think Poland and Hungary have a high probability of entering a war

I agree it doesn't seem that likely, but keep in mind that Poland's entire eastern border is Russian or Belarussian territory, with a speck of Ukraine in the southeast. The probability is still low, but it's higher than a year ago.

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Post by danenania »

andsoitis wrote: post #195
martindbp wrote: post #11

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> how all of the diverse cities of the USA Have you perhaps considered that they're not very diverse? NYC and SF are a bit different yeah, but other than that they're all remarkably similar. Honestly it's a significant factor in why I decided to move back to Europe. It always bothered me when Americans claim that the US states are as diverse as separate countries in e.g. Europe. No, just no. You are blinded by the fa…

Los Angeles is way more diverse, on just about any front, than San Francisco.

LA should really be compared to the whole Bay Area, not just SF.

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Post by milosmns »

duped wrote: post #165
k__ wrote: post #162

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I know a few devs who have their home base in Bali. Seems to be a nice place for remote work.

The hard part is finding companies that will hire you in wildly different time zones and figure out all the payroll headaches. Not every company wants or is able to have a bunch of 1099 contractors doing core work for the business.

Yep, and also add on social/medical/pension paperwork and permits…

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Post by Barrin92 »

This list seems awful. How is Istanbul ranked this low? Almost all Chinese cities seem incredibly underrated, Beijing and Shanghai on a level with Athens, some of the top 'second tier' cities on par with Latin American cities? Dubai and Abu Dhabi as 'livable', not for the workers there, that's for sure. If you wanted to put a positive spin on it you can say the Economist knows its readership very well.

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Post by TacticalCoder »

jiggawatts wrote: post #88
Loic wrote: post #29

As I wrote last year, these liveability index ignores all the best cities in Europe and I suppose in most countries by focusing on the largest cities. I enjoyed living in the US, France, Denmark and Germany, I can't find Boulder, Besançon, Nantes, Helsingor, Münster, etc. These are all smaller cities outside of the big ones and they would all have a score higher than Vienna in this index. I am 100% confident that you…

These lists also often ignore the weather, which makes a huge difference to what most people consider to be "livable". Nordic European winters are horrible, and no amount of amenities can compensate.

> Nordic European winters are horrible, and no amount of amenities can compensate.

Yup... Belgium (and that's not even totally north), where I'm originally from, has 199 days of rain per year. Out of the 166 days left, half of them exhibit a gray sky. Wife and I packed our stuff, put our baby in the car and left for a better life along the Mediterranean sea side six years ago: zero regret.

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Post by VoxelBoy »

Barrin92 wrote: post #244

This list seems awful. How is Istanbul ranked this low? Almost all Chinese cities seem incredibly underrated, Beijing and Shanghai on a level with Athens, some of the top 'second tier' cities on par with Latin American cities? Dubai and Abu Dhabi as 'livable', not for the workers there, that's for sure. If you wanted to put a positive spin on it you can say the Economist knows its readership very well.

Have you ever lived in Istanbul? I've lived there for more than 20 years and I'm not surprised that it is ranked low. Terrible traffic (which makes people angry overall), huge sprawl and population, lots and lots of other problems.

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Post by burntoutfire »

mypalmike wrote: post #229
burntoutfire wrote: post #132

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Thanks for being helpful...

If you can't distinguish the architecture of Las Vegas style strip malls (and the culture therein) from the neighborhood oriented grids of Manhattan (and its vastly different culture), there's no way to be helpful.

I never said that. (What I said is that, after already seeing NYC, SF and Las Vegas, I didn't expect the trip to Seatle to be worth it). Next time, please read more carefully before you start posting pointless comments.

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Post by katamarimambo »

hartator wrote: post #173
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #50

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> Mass shootings are rare Yeah, but... Typical (Median) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015) United States — 0.058 Albania — 0 Austria — 0 Belgium — 0 Czech Republic — 0 Finland — 0 France — 0 Germany — 0 Italy — 0 Macedonia — 0 Netherlands — 0 Norway — 0 Russia — 0 Serbia — 0 Slovakia — 0 Switzerland — 0 United Kingdom — 0 Using the median analysis, th…

It seems a misdirection to use median across years as we have averages available. It's more precise and more readable but probably doesn't align with the policies you want to push: Norway — 1.888 Serbia — 0.381 France — 0.347 Macedonia — 0.337 Albania — 0.206 Slovakia — 0.185 Switzerland — 0.142 Finland — 0.132 Belgium — 0.128 Czech Republic — 0.123 United States — 0.089 Austria — 0.068 Netherlands — 0.051 Canada — 0…

Brazil would have a 0.25 average. So much better than Norway! Can't argue against "more precise and more readable" data.

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Post by systemvoltage »

Loic wrote: post #29

As I wrote last year, these liveability index ignores all the best cities in Europe and I suppose in most countries by focusing on the largest cities. I enjoyed living in the US, France, Denmark and Germany, I can't find Boulder, Besançon, Nantes, Helsingor, Münster, etc. These are all smaller cities outside of the big ones and they would all have a score higher than Vienna in this index. I am 100% confident that you…

I am not a fan of living in urban centers, whether bike friendly, walkable or not. It is generally a shitty experience, noise out of control, cost of living through the roof, crime, too many laws, tiny apartments, high home cost, worse schools, traffic and density of people, high property taxes, drunkards on the streets and annoyance of tourism.

Unpopular opinion: Classic American sub-rural living. Live in outskirts of Denver in a large cookie cutter 4 bedroom house and a Ford F-150 truck. Lots of resources, not a single thing to be annoyed by and cheap cost of living. No gentrification, people are kinder and nicer. Absolute bliss.

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Post by intellectronica »

camillomiller wrote: post #13

what is living well? Why are these lists always so skewed toward such a normative view of liveability? Zürich is a beautiful and well-organized city, for example, but every single time I've been there I've found out that its quiet translates into a boringness I've seldom experienced anywhere else. For me, a man in his late thirties who has no plans to have kids and form a normative family, it's a living nightmare.

It's a list of liveable cities, not partyable cities ;)
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