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“Harbinger households” consistently buy products that get discontinued (2019)

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Shoes are this way for a lot of people, in that some of us can keep a pair of shoes long enough that the next fashion cycle has happened and you can't find anything like that again. I got to the point where if I really liked a pair of shoes, I'd buy a second pair and throw them in the closet for nine months, and cross my fingers that I like the shoes in the second refresh more than I liked the ones in the first one.…

tight jeans are out of fashion since at least 2 years...

suspiciously around the time period of covid lol

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Regarding your shaving foam: Look into the old-school stuff like tubes of Prorasso brand soap. Buy a good natural hair shaving brush to go with it (will last you the rest of your life) and you'll never want to go back to those cans.

When I lather up for a shave with a brush and soap I use old school Bay Rum soap.

What I like about the stuff that comes in tubes, is that it doesn't require a pre-heated lathering bowl or any pre-foaming which makes everything go real quick.

You can just squirt some straight onto the (wet) brush and get latherin' - straight onto your face.

Having to shave those last remnants of hair off my head is bad enough without it taking up half the prep time I grant myself each morning :)

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When I lather up for a shave with a brush and soap I use old school Bay Rum soap.

What I like about the stuff that comes in tubes, is that it doesn't require a pre-heated lathering bowl or any pre-foaming which makes everything go real quick. You can just squirt some straight onto the (wet) brush and get latherin' - straight onto your face. Having to shave those last remnants of hair off my head is bad enough without it taking up half the prep time I grant myself each morning :)

I had never thought about that. That is definitely a useful attribute that makes me consider looking for more tubular options. My soap cup can get pretty gnarly after a while and this might solve some of that.

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Found this link to the paper, since OP's SciHub link has rotted: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/130136/The%20... This is an interesting finding no matter what, but I think part of the splash comes from the idea that some people might be harbingers _independent of the rest of their identity_. Since it's not obvious that liking crystal pepsi and watermelon oreos are related, we can speculate that the pe…

Alternative: people that like to experiment are the first jumping on new products, and people that like routines aren't - that would be enough to bias the experimenters into the harbinger group, and it would be useful to check if there's an overlap when measuring for household that were early adopter of successful products

This was my reaction as well. There are two different ways to be an outlier in prefering products more likely to be discontinued. Very early adopters who have uniquely discerning selection criteria or tastes may seek out new products which meet their preferences but if the product is "too early" to capture much market share, it is likely to fail. When their 'outside the norm' preferences end up catching on with the broader market they look like trendsetters or taste makers. When their atypical preferences don't catch on, they look like the "harbingers" discussed in the article.

I suspect the reality is that both types exist. The article says harbingers tend to clip coupons more. This implies they may be price-sensitive, lower income or perhaps trying to stretch their lifestyle beyond their means. To me, harbingers sound like people who are open to trying novel things but also tend to make quicker, perhaps ill-considered decisions. Over time this would lead to a trend of making poorer choices on average, such as remaining in zip codes where the negatives might outweigh the positives but not obviously so at first glance - explaining another finding of the study.

I've occasionally had strong preferences for product features clearly not valued as highly by the majority of the market. That means sometimes I have to seek out or pay more for the items I prefer. However, I'm not at all price sensitive when it comes to products that differentiate themselves in ways which are important to me. Also, I almost never clip coupons.

Conversely, when I judge a cheaper product to be equivalent in the ways that matter to me, I'll go for the cheaper one - all other things equal (ie I wouldn't drive to another store to save 75 cents). Other times, products with features I find uniquely valuable fail in the market because there aren't enough others who value those features. But I also have a large number of examples where I was very early to a product niche which was not a 'thing' but then grew into a sub-category popular enough to be sustainable and competitively profitable. An easy example is mechanical keyboards. I was one of those people seeking out old IBM keyboards and adapting the old big DIN connectors to USB. A decade later I was participating in group buys to get good mechanical keybs. Now, another decade on, I can walk into Best Buy and find three or four mechanical keyboards. I'm unusual in that I'll pay >$500 for the exact keyboard I want yet seek out a very particular brand & model of shirt or pants I prefer from Costco or Wal-Mart despite being the cheapest, apparently undifferentiated offering. But in those cases, it's always because of specific features that item uniquely possesses over others. When friends ask me about some of my less conventional product choices I can explain in detail exactly why this one is objectively better to me than the others. In many cases, following such conversations my friends end up adopting either the product or at least the previously under-valued differentiating feature.

A personal example of the negative outcome (failed product) would be the Zazzle, a cool toy which ultimately failed in the market despite my buying one when I saw it at retail. My Zazzle is sitting on the bar in my game room and once discovered by friends becomes a favorite. One friend told me they tried to get one on eBay only to find them selling for hundreds of dollars. I have a higher than usual rate of having discontinued products I bought when new which are now selling for multiples of original MSRP. I didn't buy them because I thought they'd go up in value, I just tend to buy stuff I want if I see unique value in it.

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> Shoes are this way for a lot of people, in that some of us can keep a pair of shoes long enough that the next fashion cycle has happened and you can't find anything like that again. Try working from home. It's guaranteed that by the time you need new shoes nothing resembling your current shoes that you know and love is available any more. Same for a lot of other clothing items that you only wear outside.

Leather work boots hardly change. I have some Red Wings that are close to an 80 year design or something.

This is where I'm at after years of trying various designs. I went back to shoes I loved in the 90's; Doc Martin 1461 3-eyelet loafers. Classic design, easy to find, and I haven't worn anything since to work in more than a decade now.

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There are multiple uses of Habringer as the spelling

All of the mistakes are in this paragraph: > The researchers also claim that harbinger households voluntarily cluster: that when a harbinger household moves, it is likely that it will move to another habringer ZIP code (and nonhabringers move to nonhabringer households). Moreover, harbingers don't appear to learn their preferences from one another — a nonhabringer household that locates in a harbinger ZIP code doesn'…

Satiate me semantically please sir

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And for anyone anywhere who has never eaten Grape Nuts, imagine kitty litter in milk. I kid, but it's rather unlike any other breakfast cereal in its texture.

As someone who had this in the breakfast cereal rotation as a kid I can confirm the textural differences between it and almost every other cereal. It is hard, crunchy, slightly sweet though definitely not near the level of other breakfast cereals, and has a unique flavor like wheat kernels. It was fashionable decades ago as a healthy cereal and promoted by the famous Euell Gibbons, who would eat just about anything f…

Grape Nuts with a just a touch of honey or piloncillo and allowed to soften for 3-5 minutes before eating them is my breakfast of choice for over 20 years now.

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This.Happens.To.Me.All.The.Time. All.The.Time. that Amazing Neutrogena conditioner, which was really good and lasted a year? Gone: if it lasts a year, its too good. that original low-sugar chex? gone. we invented three new flavours. that jam? gone. butter? gone. that cut of meat? gone. those pens? I mean pentel pens. How can pentel can an entire line of really good, fine writer ballpens? Gone. Sorry dude, it was you…

Nivea sensitive shaving cream? In the squeeze tube? I bought sooooo much of the back stock when they stopped making it. Also: 11" MacBook Air. Strawberry Shortcake SkinnyCow ice cream sandwiches. McCormick Perfect Pinch Tuscan Seasoning with Sun Dried Tomato.

I LOVED my 11" Air, bought one in 2010, used it daily as my only laptop until 2017, gave it to my son who used it until he graduated in 2019. I replaced it with a 13" MBP which I also really like. MBP died a cat-related falling off the table tragedy recently so I pulled out the Air and was shocked--in 12ish years, my eyes no longer think its tiny screen is reasonably viewable. I wish they'd make another 11" with a retina display, but I guess Apple knows best, I replaced the 13" MBP with another 13" MBP, an M1 this time.

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Dont they usually change the recipes? Cheaper raw materials (e.g. high fructose corn syroup instead of sugar for soft drinks), different production methods (same line used for all products but different flavoring), various cost optimizations that compromise the quality..

> Dont they usually change the recipes? Sometimes. Sometimes it also might be a process change. There is a desert people in Hungary quite like. It's basically a bar of cottage cheese coated in chocolate. [1] One day the factory manufacturing it received a huge amount of inquires about a recipe change. The only problem was that they haven't changed anything. As far as they could tell everything was the same as it alwa…

That’s fascinating, and not in the article at all, that I saw.

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As someone who had this in the breakfast cereal rotation as a kid I can confirm the textural differences between it and almost every other cereal. It is hard, crunchy, slightly sweet though definitely not near the level of other breakfast cereals, and has a unique flavor like wheat kernels. It was fashionable decades ago as a healthy cereal and promoted by the famous Euell Gibbons, who would eat just about anything f…

Grape Nuts with a just a touch of honey or piloncillo and allowed to soften for 3-5 minutes before eating them is my breakfast of choice for over 20 years now.

That sounds like a good idea to let them soften. Probably enhances the experience.

I have used piloncillo in Tex-Mex cooking - moles and other spicy sauces to add a little sweetness. I never thought about using it somewhere else.

I'm down for honey on just about anything. I usually make a wash for my baby-back ribs with a honey base and some chile spices like ancho or gaujillo or chipotle. It really elevates the ribs when you brush it on when you are nearly at the end of smoking.

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