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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv » Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 12:48 PM UTC

jhgb wrote: post #240

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #238

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Since this isn't my area of expertise, no, I didn't bookmark them. Just looked into it repeatedly since the beginning of our transformation to renewable and sustainable energy here, since about 2008. I thought the same regarding losses and grid, but it seems like it is so with current technology. I live (mostly) in Germany. But as I've said, when you zoom out and look into it, considering all that goes through and in…

> Especially that rail thing, only one third from power plant reaching the locomotive is normal. Link please. Because that would be a terrible performance figure for a high power system like that. Worst possible loss figures I've been able to find for our grid are 15% losses between the power plant and the plug, and that's including the losses in low-voltage distribution (400 V 50 Hz three-phase). Modern rail runs at…

> Link please...

Mission impossible for now, because sleep is long overdue. Anyway, something anecdotical: At the times, when I looked into it about 2008, I discussed that with some people, some of them 'engineers', as in the people who actually drive the trains (both freight and passenger). They also confirmed that, they even learn that during training. Can 15kV at 16 2/3Hz produce such differences?

Whatever, as I said before, it isn't limited to rail, grids as they are now aren't as efficient as the models suggest. But I can't re-research this at the moment. I just know I didn't hallucinate that stuff, OK?

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by ceejayoz » Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 2:31 PM UTC

toyg wrote: post #166

wongarsu wrote: post #104

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Because everyone will buy the 2035 equivalent of a new Tesla Model 3 instead of a used Nissan Leaf?

Whatever you buy, you better save up for a new battery. That's an issue with electric cars that has not really been solved, afaik. Most batteries will become useless at a rate that is not comparable to critical ICE engine parts, and they continue to be very expensive.

That's not really all that different from an ICE car. Every ICE car I've owned becomes overly costly to maintain after 200k miles or so, with a resale/scrap value of a couple grand at most.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by pasabagi » Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 8:07 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #84

ChemSpider wrote: post #23

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You must be living under a rock: Coordinate foreign affairs? => Yes (e. g. Russia sanctions) Able to police external borders? => Yes, Frontex Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? => When was the last time anyone attacked an EU country?

>Able to police external borders? => Yes, Frontex That hasn't really worked in practice though, as illegal migrants discovered that if you sail a boat towards EU borders and intentionally sink it when Frontex tries to intercept, then they're obliged to rescue and take you to Europe, instead of sending you back for trespassing without a visa, meaning anyone could exploit this loophole to enter Europe illegally. That's…

If they don't have a legitimate claim to asylum, they can be sent back.

The problem is, the vast majority do, and since that right stems from fundamental human rights, you can't simply remove it. That, and the better angels of european conscience remember that it was our grandparents, and the governments they elected, who turned away the jewish refugees seeking asylum from the Nazis.

Sadly, since the apple never falls all that far from the tree, there is always a lot of support for making it practically impossible for refugees to claim the protections that are enshrined in the core principle of the EU. So, that's why people are attempting dangerous sea crossings.