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Microsoft will include pay ranges in all U.S. job postings

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Re: Microsoft will include pay ranges in all U.S. job postings

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #10
epwr wrote: post #8

> Microsoft said it would disclose salary ranges in all internal and external U.S. job postings no later than January 2023. That date is when Washington state, where Microsoft’s headquarters are located, will start requiring employers with at least 15 employees to disclose salary ranges for each position. In other news, Microsoft to comply with a new law.

> In other news, Microsoft to comply with a new law Microsoft is under no obligation to comply with Washington law outside Washington. That's what they're doing here.

It's simpler and easier to do it this way. Which is what they're doing here.

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Post by [deleted] »

drewcon wrote: post #181
kodah wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm leaving my company because it took so much "upwards pressure" to make this happen. Literally hundreds of people screaming in a townhall that the companies wages were so low that housing was eating up most of their paycheck while mandating a return to work from the top. This is in the Bay Area. I do think there's something to be said about a company that does not tend to the needs of its flock proactively.

I’m not sure why the company is responsible at an individual level for what’s going on in the Bay Area. They can’t tell you how to manage and interact with the expenses of your life. If you’re mad at anyone, walk down to city hall and tell them to build more housing.

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Post by hcnews »

Chinjut wrote: post #198

It's incredible in these comments that so many of you who work in the industry on the employee side are arguing against having more transparency for the employee, and for having more leverage in the negotiating process for the employer instead. I want all the advantage as an employee that I can get. Any secret withheld from me is not to my advantage.

In 2022, you have to assume a fair amount of activity on popular boards/forums/subreddits/twitter etc. has been purposefully influenced by nefarious parties.

In more concrete terms, I do think there are a fair amount of bots/paid-commenters on HN who push for anti-progressive agenda which helps maintain status quo.

Re: Microsoft will include pay ranges in all U.S. job postings

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

phpisthebest wrote: post #239
jonas21 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies may have more sway than an individual employee, but that sway is still close to zero. Why? Because everyone knows that once enough key employees live nearby, they can't just pick up and move the company somewhere else. Google, for example, has been trying for over a decade to build some medium-density housing near its campus. This goes beyond just advocating for political action (which they're also doing) -…

>>Because everyone knows that once enough key employees live nearby It is almost like, in any context, centralization is bad. I am not sure why we has a civilization have to keep learning this lesson, over and over and over again Anytime you centralize anything it results in bad outcomes. Diversity, Diversification, Distributed Models, etc are ALWAYS preferable, I dont care if you are talking about Stocks, People, Ho…

Centralization is just a tool (if methods of organization are tools).

Sometimes, it's clearly the right choice (where are program settings settings? `~/.config`).

It's also VERY simple. If all you want is client/server version control, and you don't mind the constraints, SVN's UX and learning curve beats git's by a long shot.

Decentralization buys you flexibility, but entails tons of complexity.

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Post by anon291 »

kodah wrote: post #155
another_poster wrote: post #109

Individual states’ pay transparency laws are already applying upwards pressure on salaries across the country. My company has multiple groups in different states including Colorado, and in anticipation of needing to post salary ranges for our open positions in Colorado, my group (with no positions in Colorado) preemptively bumped up everyone’s salaries to the midpoint of their pay bands to avoid anyone becoming frust…

I'm leaving my company because it took so much "upwards pressure" to make this happen. Literally hundreds of people screaming in a townhall that the companies wages were so low that housing was eating up most of their paycheck while mandating a return to work from the top. This is in the Bay Area. I do think there's something to be said about a company that does not tend to the needs of its flock proactively.

Why not just leave the company? I understand in many industries jobs are hard to find, but tech jobs are a dime a dozen.

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Post by phpisthebest »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #244
phpisthebest wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Because everyone knows that once enough key employees live nearby It is almost like, in any context, centralization is bad. I am not sure why we has a civilization have to keep learning this lesson, over and over and over again Anytime you centralize anything it results in bad outcomes. Diversity, Diversification, Distributed Models, etc are ALWAYS preferable, I dont care if you are talking about Stocks, People, Ho…

Centralization is just a tool (if methods of organization are tools). Sometimes, it's clearly the right choice (where are program settings settings? `~/.config`). It's also VERY simple. If all you want is client/server version control, and you don't mind the constraints, SVN's UX and learning curve beats git's by a long shot. Decentralization buys you flexibility, but entails tons of complexity.

your case to prove centralization is sometimes good is SVN over git

I can not envision any scenario in which I would choose SVN over git

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Post by treis »

ekianjo wrote: post #45
chrismeller wrote: post #21

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“Software Engineer I - 40-250k”

anything preventing them from doing very large ranges like that?

It says you have to post "the" salary range. So you can't have an actual salary range and then post something different. Most corps will have realistic salary bands and when they create job reqs it will be for a specific level. It's possible that some will call everyone engineers and have a band like that when you include interns. But that's not how most of them operate.

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Post by lostlogin »

anon291 wrote: post #245
kodah wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm leaving my company because it took so much "upwards pressure" to make this happen. Literally hundreds of people screaming in a townhall that the companies wages were so low that housing was eating up most of their paycheck while mandating a return to work from the top. This is in the Bay Area. I do think there's something to be said about a company that does not tend to the needs of its flock proactively.

Why not just leave the company? I understand in many industries jobs are hard to find, but tech jobs are a dime a dozen.

> Why not just leave the company?

The first words were “I'm leaving my company”. Am I missing something?

Re: Microsoft will include pay ranges in all U.S. job postings

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Post by joshuamorton »

pnw wrote: post #219
com2kid wrote: post #156

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I'm sad more companies don't up their 401k contributions, most people don't realize their employer can put in 40k a year (!!!) into an employee's 401k. Due to the wonders of tax law, that is equiv to 60k cash, and that isn't counting the earnings or the flexibility to reallocate 401k investments w/o having to pay taxes on earnings when changing where the money is invested.

If Microsoft put 40k a year into everyone’s 401k they would immediately trip the Highly Compensated Employee test and have the IRS breathing down their necks.

If microsoft put 40K a year into everyone's 401k it would be impossible for them to violate the HCE test, as every you'd have non-HCEs with a 401k contribution of 30% or higher, something which HCEs are literally unable to match.
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