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Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by reitanqild »

joshstrange wrote: post #56

I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…

I use and have used both a lot.

I was about to give up WebStorm the other day, but eventually got around it.

Jetbrains products are very good, but they feel a little "French" just like Macs: beautiful, but be aware that on some models the handbrake is on the same side as the door so you might end up tearing up your pants or bruising your thigh until you learn to be careful :-/

VS Code by comparison is very straightforward, but not always as sophisticated.

Personally I'd use NetBeans for backend and VS Code for frontend but because of Kotlin (which is great) I'm stuck with IntelliJ anyways.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by wiseowise »

Atreiden wrote: post #38

Called this ~4 years ago when they were acquired by M$. But it's still really sad to see. I use it because it was trivial to CSS style it to match my Desktop. It's comfortable to me in a way that other editors thus far have not been. Are there other editors with this level of customizability? I know VSCode and Sublime support theming but from what I can tell it involves installing pre-packaged themes.

VSCode killed Atom long before GitHub acquisition.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by likortera »

joshstrange wrote: post #56

I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…

I've tried too many times already to use the Jetbrains IDEs, because I know they're great, specially about the IntelliSense stuff, autocompletion, suggestions, etc.

But I just can't. My fingers are just too used to vscode, and I can do everything I need to. I feel like vscode is better at everything, and faster, except for the IntelliSense stuff. But lately I've tried GitHub Copilot and that just compensates it sooooo much, to the point I think it is even better than IDEA at suggesting stuff.

Also, working mostly with JavaScript and Typescript makes the difference go away (for me at least) as it is damn good at it.

Being free and open source also is a big plus for using it. And I love also how easy it is to configure... just a JSON with autocompletion for any setting you want to tweak. So much easier than having to mess with a ton of tabs and sections and search for settings, etc, etc.

But, if your language is not well supported in vscode, I agree Jetbrain's IDES are great and probably the best option out there. Specially IntelliJ if you're doing Java/Kotlin etc...

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by kylebarron »

I personally found Atom + Hydrogen [0] to be the most productive interactive Python environment I've ever used. I really want to see VSCode adopt some way to run a Jupyter kernel for a Python file (with a notebook UI) and have rich results in line with the code (i.e. not a terminal output off to the right side of the screen).

[0] https://github.com/nteract/hydrogen

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by mynameisvlad »

bogwog wrote: post #122
keewee7 wrote: post #79

Really begs the question what Visual Studio Code did right and what Atom did wrong.

I didn’t use Atom much, but I think it’s obvious that the primary reason it died was because Microsoft decided to make their own competing editor, and then bought the parent company of Atom. It wasn’t exactly the most popular editor at the time, but it did still have some users. Reminds me of how Adobe killed off FreeHand (the only competitor to Illustrator at the time) by buying the parent company and then halting d…

> the primary reason it died was because Microsoft decided to make their own competing editor

> Microsoft likely gave zero shits about Atom as a competitive threat since it was effectively dead at the time anyways

How can Microsoft both give zero shits because it was effectively dead, while also still being the primary reason it died? That seems to be a chicken-egg problem.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by skohan »

dijit wrote: post #186
skohan wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electron is both an amazing enabling technology, and also an artifact of the sad state of affairs for computing platforms. One could imagine a world where strong standards have been established which would allow you to easily deploy lean native applications across a wide variety of platforms. Instead we ended up in this bizzare world where if you want to maintain a desktop GUI app, you either need a large team to sup…

I still think of these inefficient things as being great multipliers of potential, even if wasteful. FWIW: I'm probably one of the most "IT Conservative" people on this site, I still believe in sysadmins, dislike systemd, hate electron etc; But there is something to be said about developer productivity: if you can build a prototype in 10 days when it would have taken 10 weeks that can be a huge differentiator between…

Yeah I think I am in a similar camp. As a person involved in product development, I love the speed at which web technologies allow us to move.

As a computer scientist, I can't help but cringe at the massive amount of collective inefficiency in the current state of computing.

But don't get me wrong, I'd rather have the inefficient thing which creates value than nothing at all.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by wiseowise »

andrew_ wrote: post #192

Nooooooo. I so much prefer Atom over VSCode. I've read the spin, but this smells like Microsoft finally doing what we all predicted - killing off the competing product.

> killing off the competing product.

There's nothing competing about Atom. Its fate was sealed when VSCode started gaining traction, and that happened before GitHub acquisition.

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by fsckboy »

IncRnd wrote: post #150
tinco wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's perfectly reasonable. That open source software forms some part of a commons is not really a thing in practice. Open source software is ran by maintainers, those maintainers own the projects, and they do with the software what they deem fit. And even if it were, VSCode is basically a rewrite of Atom that reuses a big chunk of the original codebase, they're the same sort of project serving the same sort of mar…

> And even if it were, VSCode is basically a rewrite of Atom that reuses a big chunk of the original codebase Atom and VSCode projects have always been separate projects. Both using Electron does not mean they share a codebase, not in the normal sense of the phrase.

from the article "This is a tough goodbye. It’s worth reflecting that Atom has served as the foundation for the Electron framework, which paved the way for the creation of thousands of apps, including Microsoft Visual Studio Code, Slack, and our very own GitHub Desktop."

Re: Sunsetting Atom

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Post by TameAntelope »

joshstrange wrote: post #56

I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…

I come from an era where the more fully featured your IDE, the less likely you were to truly understand what was going on under the hood.

I strongly recommend everyone spend their first ~5 years coding in vim or some other basic text editor (preferably through the terminal), before leaning on an IDE to solve their problems for them.

That said, VSCode is now my go-to IDE, and I haven't opened WebStorm in probably ~6 months. It's lighter weight than the IDEA suite of IDEs, and gives me ~80% of the functionality, so it's been a pretty good tradeoff.

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