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Post by chaostheory »

bogwog wrote: post #188
colinmhayes wrote: post #173

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Apple's whole thing is simplicity/"just works". Modular designs are pretty much the opposite of that. They've been proven right too. The vast majority of people don't want to slot in their own parts.

> They've been proven right too. The vast majority of people don't want to slot in their own parts. How have they been “proven right”? Correlation is not causation. Just because they’re highly successful and they ship integrated components doesn’t mean the two are related.

The reason why their ecosystem “just works” is because it’s a tightly controlled vertically inte grated prison. The second you allow choice and a multitude of hardware and software configurations is when you start seeing complexity for users as well as instability.

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Post by clintonwoo »

rootsudo wrote: post #182

The only downside is now magsafe over usb-c :( unless you can charge with both on new macs?

You can charge with both on the 14" and 16", at the apple store a few weeks ago they told me the next one's will likely have the same capabilities.

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Post by Matl »

pc86 wrote: post #160
procinct wrote: post #129

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It would be nice if they could get close in terms of battery. Every windows laptop I’ve ever had including my current one I use for work has had a battery life of around 3 or 4 hours. Compared to my MacBook Air which can easily seem to go over 24.

I have an older work laptop but a nearly brand new (comparatively) battery that's about a year, maybe 18 months old. If I'm actually using my laptop, it will last maybe an hour or two. I might get it to last 3-4 if I just have email up with the screen dimmed. Not sure if it's Windows, too much work surveillance-ware, or just HP being garbage, but my M1 Mac will last twice as long as I've ever needed it to without get…

I am honestly a bit shocked at the low numbers you and parent are reporting. I have not used Windows in a long time but Linux is generally assumed to be less power efficient on laptops and yet I have no problem getting 7-9 hours out of my year old ZenBook 13 OLED.

That's still nowhere near what you get on a MacBook Air but perfectly usable imo.

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Post by alluro2 »

dt3ft wrote: post #42
api wrote: post #14

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It's worse than that. They're busy turning off their users with dark patterns, terrible UX, ads and spam in the OS, and endless amounts of unnecessary telemetry.

I just had to hack/patch windows 11 in order to bring back "never combine taskbar windows" functionality which existed in windows 10. I am strongly considering switching over at this point. Removal of "never combine" is such a productivity kill that it baffles me how this thing rolled out at all. Who took over the wheel over at Microsoft and who left, that made this major breaking change take place?

Oof - I understand your gripe completely, Win 11 is downright perplexing with some of this stuff, but if you're someone who wants the "Never combine..." option, you'll probably hate MacOS dock, the way window and app switching works, lack of any options there, and general "We know better than our users" mentality all over the place...

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Post by mbreese »

maskedinvader wrote: post #217

It was super interesting for me to see Apple not directly compare M2 to M1 in any of the graphs, why not directly tell us how much better it is than its predecessor as opposed to PC Laptop peers ?

Huh?

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/live-action/wwdc-2022/...

This was the first comparison on the page. M2 has 18% more relative performance than an M1. You can argue about the relative part, but the certainly included the comparison (and do for GPU, etc...).

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Post by corrral »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #52

All i want is a laptop with similar build quality, battery life, and Ubuntu.

A major factor in achieving excellent battery life coupled with relatively good performance & responsiveness, on Apple products, is the OS. That holds for both Macs and iDevices.

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Post by [deleted] »

maskedinvader wrote: post #217

It was super interesting for me to see Apple not directly compare M2 to M1 in any of the graphs, why not directly tell us how much better it is than its predecessor as opposed to PC Laptop peers ?

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Post by aeonflux »

maskedinvader wrote: post #217

It was super interesting for me to see Apple not directly compare M2 to M1 in any of the graphs, why not directly tell us how much better it is than its predecessor as opposed to PC Laptop peers ?

They had a graph with M1 and M2.

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Post by jcranberry »

mikepurvis wrote: post #209
mathstuf wrote: post #172

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I like the XPS 13 line myself. The 93xx line lasted all night when I forgot to shut the lid one evening (9+ hours) with Fedora (after running `powertop` and doing its tweaks). But I'm also a "weirdo" who doesn't like Apple-made hardware (the trackpad, touchbar, keyboard, mouse, etc. are all inferior IMO), so maybe you're looking for something different there.

I'm currently on my first and last XPS, a 9570. I really wanted to love it, but there's just too much about it that is a complete disaster, particularly around power management, wake behaviour, and thermals. I know I haven't exactly babied it, what with it having been plugged in in my home office for basically two straight years during the pandemic, but the battery is shot at this point— getting barely an hour of lif…

I had a 9520 for about 5 years. I had two issues, which was a broken left hinge (4k touch screen was two heavy for that part, I believe in the XPS 15 actually didn't suffer from the same issue), and swelling batteries, which caused various knock on issues. I also experienced the same issue with batteries from the dell latitude I got from work. Seemed to be a dell thing for laptops left plugged in constantly. I never had to deal with overheating issues despite having a Xeon (although it did get quite hot).

Its a shame because otherwise I really liked the laptop. Gorgeous screen, good trackpad and keyboard, and a perfect size imo.

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