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PhD students face cash crisis with wages that don’t cover living costs

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It's not really "spoiled", as that is the price due to the fuel taxes in Europe, where the U.S. pays almost nothing in fuel tax. If they don't like that high of a fuel price, then they're free to vote for another party.

And the whole world is free to suffer the consequences of global warming which are becoming increasingly dire. Sorry for the snarkiness but it just needed to be said

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Re: PhD students face cash crisis with wages that don’t cover living costs

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People in the US are very spoiled in this regard. In Europe and Asia having a car and being able to afford to drive it is honestly a luxury.

It's not really "spoiled", as that is the price due to the fuel taxes in Europe, where the U.S. pays almost nothing in fuel tax. If they don't like that high of a fuel price, then they're free to vote for another party.

And your carefree approach leads to this: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Per-Capita-Emissions-of-...

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What about tuition? Or monetize research instead of gifting it to large (pharmaceutical) companies? This isn’t the only way for education to fund itself, and the incentives are not aligned with the mission.

In terms of drug research the value of the discovery rises only after the clinical trials are complete.

In terms of software services, all the code does nothing until it’s deployed.

Should schools develop software and the pass the code off to Microsoft or Oracle to deploy it on their servers?

A university couldn’t possibly do it themselves, not without giving away billions to industry!!!

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You don't understand university sports revenues and expenses. Feel free to download a breakdown of revenues and expenses for the university of your choice at: https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/ You are going to find that almost every school is net neutral with respect to their sports programs. Football and basketball typically funding all other sports.

I haven't looked at the entire dataset, but looking at the major schools that are close to me: Expenses: 12M, 25M, 13M, 70M Revenue: 6M, 30M, 13M, 44M 1/4 is making a slight profit. 1/4 is breaking even. 2/4 are making a major loss. A Kennesaw State University (00157700 )| Total Enrollment: 27,300 B Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus | Total Enrollment: 14,476 C Georgia State University | Total Enrollment: 2…

I'm surprised by this and I am guessing it is due to a covid blip. Historically most athletics programs run revenue neutral.

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Is it just me or is the rampant abuse of the H1B system absolutely prolific but a sort of hush topic in SV? The more I see the hiring from the inside the more obvious the exploitation seems. I would really like some context from someone with a more positive view of the subject as it is really souring me to current management methodologies from a nationalistic perspective at least within my filter bubble.

Let me burn up my hard-earned karma to answer your question honestly. I hope you catch this before it’s flagged and downvoted into oblivion Yes, the H1B system is grossly abused. Yes, it is a hush-hush topic in Silicon Valley and on this site. The evidence is right there in front of us. 40 years ago, the USA was the clear leader in technology. We had no trouble producing both factory workers and tech geniuses. We wer…

I appreciate the thoughtfulness and detail of your response very much. These are all things near and dear to my heart and it is very rough to feel, as you said, that we are in a very similar kind of spiral as the Roman and other empires have self-inflicted. I wish I knew what could be done but the whole system seems like a juggernaut unable to change in any significance, and hence hopeless and futile to resist, but alas, Plato rings in my ears: “The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”

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Jeff, thanks so much for putting that stipend information together; I'm sure your list has started discussions amongst students and amongst faculty at many institutions. The variance in stipends was eye-opening to me, and clearly they all need to go up. The posted numbers for my home institution, the University of Maryland, are a bit off; current offers are $25k for 9-month and up to $36k for 12-month, if funded on a…

Thanks for checking about the numbers. I did just double check the Maryland numbers, and what's in my table seems correct: The 25K you're referring to is for 9.5-months so is normalized to 9 months to compare against the other 9-month numbers. It's already notated with the [1] footnote in the table. The 36k is not guaranteed in the offers given to students: the UMaryland CS offer letters states "Students who are TAs…

Oh, you're right! Good catch, I agree that the numbers are accurately reflected as you had originally written them. Thanks again for compiling all this information, really helpful service to the broad community.

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Thanks for checking about the numbers. I did just double check the Maryland numbers, and what's in my table seems correct: The 25K you're referring to is for 9.5-months so is normalized to 9 months to compare against the other 9-month numbers. It's already notated with the [1] footnote in the table. The 36k is not guaranteed in the offers given to students: the UMaryland CS offer letters states "Students who are TAs…

Oh, you're right! Good catch, I agree that the numbers are accurately reflected as you had originally written them. Thanks again for compiling all this information, really helpful service to the broad community.

Thank you for the kind words!
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