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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by vbsd » Sat, May 21, 2022, 5:46 AM UTC

suprjami wrote: post #202

qu4z-2 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who are excited about the trackpoint probably aren't interested in switching to another input method for scrolling. Personally I usually disable the touchpad ASAP on any new laptop I get.

How do you scroll then? Page Up and Page Down?

You can scroll by holding down the middle trackpad button with your thumb and pushing the trackpoint in one direction or the other. You can even scroll horizontally this way. This is the main reason for the complaint about the missing middle button.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by semi-extrinsic » Sat, May 21, 2022, 5:47 AM UTC

lstamour wrote: post #207

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #169

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My Ryzen puts that M1 to shame since it can run any Linux distro with full graphics acceleration natively. An M1 can't even do that yet.

Sure, but the M1 generally has a high-quality Apple screen (this laptop from HP advertises only “FHD” so - presumably 16:9 1080p and not Retina-quality 16:10…) and the Ryzen, though much less constrained than Intel still likely has a “boost clock speed” and power throttles itself when disconnected from power or due to heat. By comparison, it’s hard to call the M1 the fastest computer I’ve used - desktops are plenty f…

> but so far only the Apple M1 has shown that traditional x64-like performance is possible on laptop/desktop from ARM chips

FWIW, ThunderX will sell you a 96 core arm64 desktop that definitely offers x64-like performance. And Ampere will sell you a 256 core arm64 2U server node that matches the performance of the fastest AMD Epyc Milan CPUs. AFAIK there is no desktop case that supports the motherboard of the latter, but there is no reason why you couldn't make one.

These things are a bit niche, since the main benefit of arm64 is the reduced power demand at a given performance level, which desktop/workstation users seldom care much about. In the data center though they are killing it, I believe Azure is using the Ampere Altra stuff for their Graviton2-competitor.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by Seb-C » Sat, May 21, 2022, 5:49 AM UTC

prescriptivist wrote: post #13

Looking at the keyboard layout makes me wonder. How many devs here actually use the right shift key and/or the right modifier keys? I've been programming for 20 years (15 or so using emacs) and I exclusively use the left shift and left modifiers. I probably have never used the (physically) right shift/modifier keys on the keyboard I'm currently typing on that I've had for 2 years. I loathe the four left modifier key…

I actually use it quite often.

Right shift when I'm typing with a single hand (for example while phoning or eating). Without it, it would be pretty much impossible to type anything using only one hand, because the rightmost letters are too far away from the left shift key.

The right alt (gr) is very useful to type many languages (especially accentuated) using a US qwerty.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by JamesAdir » Sat, May 21, 2022, 5:55 AM UTC

I hope that someone at Lenovo sees this. It's time to step up their game. Bring us an X220 with swappable batteries, option to replace and upgrade parts and the awesome keyboard.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by sph » Sat, May 21, 2022, 5:57 AM UTC

mindcrime wrote: post #212

tristor wrote: post #29

I want to like this, but I feel like 32GB of RAM is minimum if I were buying a new laptop. I’ve been heavily eyeing the Framework but I’d prefer AMD. This had AMD but is limited to 16GB of RAM… lots of unnecessary tradeoffs being made here.

I bought a new System 76 machine about this time last year, and splurged (by my standards) on 64GB of RAM. BEST. DECISION. EVAAAR. as far as I'm concerned. For probably the first time in my life, I feel like I can do basically whatever I want and not have to worry about RAM. Have 8 Firefox windows with 200 tabs open, 3 or 4 Eclipse instances, and a few server apps running, and want to launch a bunch of VM's with Vagr…

I'm terrified to think that in a not-so-distant future we'll be complaining about laptops shipping with only 64 GB RAM. I bet it'll still be because of Electron.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by Seb-C » Sat, May 21, 2022, 5:59 AM UTC

midislack wrote: post #222

Awwwww, chicklet keyboard PLUS the utterly insufferable arrow keys? Damn, so close.

Same here, the keyboard is the most important tool I'm using as a developer.

Prioritizing flatiness over the quality and comfort of it is a huge dealbreaker. I'd gladly put more money for more power if I need, but having a decent keyboard is my main requirement.

Which is a shame because otherwise it seems quite good (except for the design which is yet another soulless copy of Apple).

I guess that I'll just stick to Thinkpads until this crazy trend dies.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by slaw » Sat, May 21, 2022, 6:07 AM UTC

lelanthran wrote: post #238

jasoneckert wrote: post #44

I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous. The main takeaways I get from this are that HP is now getting on the Linux developer bandwagon, and that they chose Pop!_OS as their distro due to the success and reputation of System76. And I think these are both good things, and a sign that we'll see more of the…

> I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous. I agree. My only beef is the keyboard: PLUS: No numpad so trackpad is more less centered (I hate using off-centered trackpads and usually don't care much for the numpad) MINUS: half-sized arrow keys. As a developer I tend to use those for navigation much more tha…

Also power on/off button is among other keyboard keys, on the left to delete.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by darthrupert » Sat, May 21, 2022, 6:17 AM UTC

loosescrews wrote: post #213

fatboy93 wrote: post #204

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Yeah, I didn't get the critique either. People are like we listen to music, have a few docker instances running and we use VScode, we need 32 gb Ram or more. Why do you need a text editor/ide which consumes so much ram? Is this the reason that apps have gotten more bloated and slow on older devices? Idk, I'm not a programmer. I think the price is fair enough, and if the ram isn't soldered (one would be and the other…

Linux seems to have much worse memory management for desktop usage than other popular desktop operating systems. I have found that I really need 64GB of RAM to make Chrome run well on Linux, but I can get a similar user experience with as little as 16GB of RAM on other desktop operating systems. Firefox does much better, but Chrome seems to be the standard these days, and a computer that doesn't run Chrome well is pr…

Lol, that’s just silly. I could probably run Linux desktop (sway) on a 1GB RAM machine.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by pigbearpig » Sat, May 21, 2022, 6:23 AM UTC

pzlarsson wrote: post #40

It has a trackpoint with 2 buttons which tells us they did not put any serious effort into this input device. Would you use a 2 button mouse without scroll-wheel or a touchpad without 2-fingers scrolling? I suspect this low effort goes for the whole product which is a budget laptop with marketing directed at decision makers instead of users.

Well, I guess I don't need to wait for reviews anymore, I'll just count mouse buttons to know if it's a good laptop or not.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by darthrupert » Sat, May 21, 2022, 6:25 AM UTC

ramesh31 wrote: post #153

crossroadsguy wrote: post #138

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Looks like Apple really has the “charge outrageously and be hailed for it” license. If HP also had that license - even a second or a third tier one - they’d have priced it $2989 and make everything not upgradable and announced “Pre-installed Linux for the first time ever in any…… HP laptop” and HN would be filled with comments like “I only have 3GB RAM in my HP laptop and it even lifts my pickup truck. Best ever $3K…

>Looks like Apple really has the “charge outrageously and be hailed for it” license. A new M1 Macbook Air starts at $999, and will put that Ryzen to shame. Not to mention infinitely better build quality and battery life. Apple has always been a great value for the price, even if that price is slightly higher than the bargain bin stuff.

Not when you run Linux on the HP, though. For most tasks, it’s much more efficient than MacOS, even on M1.

Then again, if you get to run Linux on the M1 some day, this might be slightly different.