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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by zionic »

cowtools wrote: post #218
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

>I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen.

For a 24" 1080p monitor in typical desktop configuration I get screen-door-effect. I can clearly see the black grid lines between pixels.

Also, if you can see aliasing/stair-stepping on this test then your eyes could benefit from higher resolution:

https://www.testufo.com/aliasing-visibility#foreground=fffff...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by arinlen »

pkulak wrote: post #228
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

It's possible for an OS to support fractional scaling properly; just tell applications to render their windows 1.5 times larger, map the inputs properly, and turn off font anti-aliasing. The problem is that it requires every app to be updated, which hasn't happened everywhere yet. Android and iOS, for example, do it perfectly. So does ChromeOS.

> (...) just tell applications to render their windows 1.5 times larger, map the inputs properly, and turn off font anti-aliasing.

Doesn't disabling anti-aliasing make things look worse? Unintentional and random jagged lines never look right.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by nfriedly »

howinteresting wrote: post #211
nfriedly wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, I just had a realtek USB ethernet adapter take down my network twice last week when I was trying out with an Android tablet. It's part of a powered USB hub, and it works fine while the tablet is connected, but after disconnecting the tablet, the ethernet controller stays active, and about half an hour later my entire home network stops working. I had to disconnect the realtek adapter and reboot my network switc…

That's not limited to Realtek: https://twitter.com/chx/status/1457848563199721472

Ok, maybe that one is partially the switch's fault.

Also, here's a better link for that: https://www.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardware/comments/qo6r3f/powere...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by wmf »

jai_ wrote: post #152

Does anyone know if the Framework team plan to offer an ARM based mainboard? I'm honestly not even sure that there are any good ARM based SoCs to make a laptop mainboard from, but given what we've seen from Apple's development of their iPhone chips being integrated into laptop and desktop, I wonder if something similar could be done with other existing ARM CPUs from Samsung or Nvidia?

I doubt they'll offer ARM, but the RK3588 is designed for laptops and not embarrassingly slow (about 3x the performance of an RPi 4).

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

That's weird to nitpick. That's a software issue not a display issue.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by jason0597 »

hit8run wrote: post #231
cowtools wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

1080p !?! Wow I didn’t know that there are professionals out there using such a shitty resolution. You are definitely not the target audience for high quality hardware then I guess.

Wait until you see what hardware the OpenBSD developers use... are you going to claim that they aren't professionals?

https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20120425065148

https://www.undeadly.org/features/2012/r2k12/P1020598.JPG

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by favadi »

pkulak wrote: post #228
petilon wrote: post #217

Still no retina display option. Steve Jobs made the right call over a decade ago... the only scaling that looks good after 100% is 200%. Any in-between scaling will have display artifacts. This laptop has 150% scaling. What sort of display artifacts can you expect because of this? Go to a web page with a grid, with 1-pixel horizontal grid lines. Even though all lines are set to 1-pixel, some lines will appear thicker…

It's possible for an OS to support fractional scaling properly; just tell applications to render their windows 1.5 times larger, map the inputs properly, and turn off font anti-aliasing. The problem is that it requires every app to be updated, which hasn't happened everywhere yet. Android and iOS, for example, do it perfectly. So does ChromeOS.

Sadly, Linux doesn't support fractional scaling properly. This is a show stopper for me.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by spaniard89277 »

Goronmon wrote: post #154
sryie wrote: post #136

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

We're on the same boat. IDK what to do honestly. Hope someone makes a keyboard with trackpoint for the framework.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by favadi »

sryie wrote: post #136

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

Do you have any problem with resolution, screen scaling? I think it requires 1.5x scaling, which often cause screen tearing and artifacts on Linux.
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