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Re: Mullvad VPN now accepts Monero payments

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Many apps on your phone are entitled to read WiFi SSID's, mapping your location as accurately as GPS - and indoors, too! Go ahead and google "where am I" with a native Android/iOS search app with your VPN enabled, you may be surprised by the results. Not to mention accelerometers and other sensors can reliably predict your movement and location, too.

They do not have such an entitlement: https://grapheneos.org/faq#hardware-identifiers (edit: and also: https://grapheneos.org/usage#wifi-privacy ) And the only app that has access to GPS on my device is: https://organicmaps.app/ And Googling "where am I" indeed shows me at my VPN exit [with my always-on and enforced VPN].

Curious (since you mentioned grapheneOS) whether you have Play Services on your device? The results I expected assumed you would. Thanks.

Re: Mullvad VPN now accepts Monero payments

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Do you want me to sit here and list out all of the applicable and legal use-cases for VPNs and Monero? How many would I have to list for you to change your views? Is there even a number, or is your mind set that VPN = criminal?

I don't think you can give me a single legitimate use case for a VPN with no KYC paid via Monero.

How about literally any country that is effectively a surveillance state? It is abundantly clear that you've never lived in or experienced anything remotely close to this since you're incapable of grasping what is probably THE MOST legitimate use case for Monero.

Re: Mullvad VPN now accepts Monero payments

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Thank you. I disagree with your assessment of the use cases for a VPN. Just one example: Your IP address is often a great identifier, making a VPN or Tor a useful starting point for online privacy. This is more or less what we say on our website as well. Based on your comment however I think you might find the follwing links to IVPN refreshing: https://www.ivpn.net/blog/why-you-dont-need-a-vpn/ https://www.doineedavp…

> Your IP address is often a great identifier, making a VPN or Tor a useful starting point for online privacy. See, this is exactly why I don't trust you. This is used car salesman talk. IP addresses are only one minor tracking mechanism out of many which defeat obscuring originating IP by means of VPN altogether (canvas fingerprint, cookies, font/screen tracking, etc.) You're trying to say if I use a VPN, I get priv…

> IP addresses are only one minor tracking mechanism out of many which defeat obscuring originating IP by means of VPN altogether (canvas fingerprint, cookies, font/screen tracking, etc.)

I agree. This is why I said "useful starting point". A user looking for browsing privacy needs to do more than just use a VPN or Tor. Obscuring your IP address somehow is necessary but not sufficient. This is what I meant.

Category: [Misunderstanding]

> You're trying to say if I use a VPN, I get privacy because websites don't know my IP, but this isn't even remotely accurate.

No, I said it's a "useful starting point". I did not say it's sufficient. I could have been more clear, but I was in a hurry when I wrote it.

Category: [Misunderstanding]

> Do you explain this anywhere in your marketing materials?

We do! On our landing page you are met with this:

"... a ... VPN is a good first step toward reclaiming [your right to privacy]."

Right below is a button ("What is a VPN?"), which leads to a page containing a header ("How a VPN protects your privacy"), which explains further:

"Using a VPN is a great first step toward protecting your privacy, but it's not the ultimate solution (we wish it was!). However, it's easy to improve your privacy ninja skills."

The quote above links to a guide explaining what is necessary to protect your browsing privacy: https://mullvad.net/en/help/first-steps-towards-online-priva...

Category: [Question]

With this reply I believe I have shown you that we (Mullvad) do "reason about this in a transparent and objective way", both on your website, and with people giving us feedback.

As an aside I think IVPN's approach might be more to your liking, but nevertheless none of your stated concerns apply to us. As I've shown above they came down to two misunderstandings and a question.

If you have any other concerns I'd love to hear them. I appreciate your feedback. If we only spoke with people who gave us positive feedback we wouldn't improve as much.

Re: Mullvad VPN now accepts Monero payments

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post #244

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> Your IP address is often a great identifier, making a VPN or Tor a useful starting point for online privacy. See, this is exactly why I don't trust you. This is used car salesman talk. IP addresses are only one minor tracking mechanism out of many which defeat obscuring originating IP by means of VPN altogether (canvas fingerprint, cookies, font/screen tracking, etc.) You're trying to say if I use a VPN, I get priv…

> IP addresses are only one minor tracking mechanism out of many which defeat obscuring originating IP by means of VPN altogether (canvas fingerprint, cookies, font/screen tracking, etc.) I agree. This is why I said "useful starting point". A user looking for browsing privacy needs to do more than just use a VPN or Tor. Obscuring your IP address somehow is necessary but not sufficient. This is what I meant. Category:…

Essentially, you're giving people knives and saying you can be a chef, because knives are a "useful starting point". It's going to result in some cut up fingers and knuckles, for sure. Cooking is about a lot more than handling knives, but a knife seller won't really explain this, just as you haven't sufficiently done with VPNs.
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