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Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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Again, show a quote where I "defend" bigotry? I did no such thing, rather said that preventing people dying is more important than hurt feelings. Which it is. Here in Canada Ukrainians have been attacked by Russian supporters; a Ukrainian priest and his family's home was set on fire. There's pro-Putin demonstrations in Germany. There hasn't been any bigotry or violence directed towards Russians abroad yet you are tak…

> There hasn't been any bigotry or violence directed towards Russians abroad This is simply untrue: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/russia-house-restaurant-vandaliz... https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/vandalism-at-russian-chur... https://www.npr.org/2022/03/12/1086282867/a-russian-pianists... Perhaps you are going to respond that none of this is equivalent to the atrocities committed by the Russian military. And you’d…

A door being splashed with red paint isn't even close to the same level as a priest and his family being intentionally (almost) burned alive...[1]

Are you fucking serious? Just admit you support genocide at this point...

[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-ars...

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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> There hasn't been any bigotry or violence directed towards Russians abroad This is simply untrue: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/russia-house-restaurant-vandaliz... https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/vandalism-at-russian-chur... https://www.npr.org/2022/03/12/1086282867/a-russian-pianists... Perhaps you are going to respond that none of this is equivalent to the atrocities committed by the Russian military. And you’d…

A door being splashed with red paint isn't even close to the same level as a priest and his family being intentionally (almost) burned alive...[1] Are you fucking serious? Just admit you support genocide at this point... [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-ars...

I don't support genocide because I don't support indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality. I've said that repeatedly. I also don't support what the Russian military is doing in Ukraine, and I think every legitimate Russian military target should be obliterated without mercy. Why isn't that enough for you? Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some people are, in fact, irrationally bigoted towards Russian people even when they have nothing to do with this war?

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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A door being splashed with red paint isn't even close to the same level as a priest and his family being intentionally (almost) burned alive...[1] Are you fucking serious? Just admit you support genocide at this point... [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-ars...

I don't support genocide because I don't support indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality. I've said that repeatedly. I also don't support what the Russian military is doing in Ukraine, and I think every legitimate Russian military target should be obliterated without mercy. Why isn't that enough for you? Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some peopl…

> I've said that repeatedly.

You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. Thanks for finally saying it.

> Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some people are, in fact, irrationally bigoted towards Russian people even when they have nothing to do with this war?

Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed.

Funny enough, the Russian people I do know who are truly decent people aren't upset about anti-Russian feelings, they're truly sympathetic for the Ukrainian people, without having to try put the attention on themselves.

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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I don't support genocide because I don't support indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality. I've said that repeatedly. I also don't support what the Russian military is doing in Ukraine, and I think every legitimate Russian military target should be obliterated without mercy. Why isn't that enough for you? Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some peopl…

> I've said that repeatedly. You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. Thanks for finally saying it. > Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some people are, in fact, irrationally bigoted towards Russian people even when they have nothing to do with this war? Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed . Funny enough, the Russian peop…

> You haven't, this is the first time I've seen.

You haven't seen me say that I oppose indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality? I've repeated that in almost every single reply I've made to you.

> Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed.

Don't pretend you know where my sympathies lie, especially when you don't even understand what I'm saying to you. If someone replied to me arguing that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified, I would argue with them. Instead, I got you and that Finnish guy both arguing that indiscriminate hatred of Russian people is justified.

> Funny enough, the Russian people I do know who are truly decent people aren't upset about anti-Russian feelings, they're truly sympathetic for the Ukrainian people, without having to try put the attention on themselves.

You said earlier that Russian people are "silent or tacitly supporting" the invasion, which justifies indiscriminate hatred towards Russian people. Which is it?

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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The original cycle started with Germany: "Where does the rubbish in every country come from? Germany!" https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/brands-geographical...

That's really interesting. Germany > Japan > China all of them became tech powers. So the moral is copy, sell, develop, ..., profit!

But then, if you go back far enough, it was

  United States > Germany > Japan > China
The US got its own start by copying and ripping off British IP in the early 1800s.

https://apnews.com/article/b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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> I've said that repeatedly. You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. Thanks for finally saying it. > Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some people are, in fact, irrationally bigoted towards Russian people even when they have nothing to do with this war? Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed . Funny enough, the Russian peop…

> You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. You haven't seen me say that I oppose indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality? I've repeated that in almost every single reply I've made to you. > Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed. Don't pretend you know where my sympathies lie, especially when you don'…

> You said earlier that Russian people are "silent or tacitly supporting" the invasion

Many are, not all.

> which justifies indiscriminate hatred towards Russian people. Which is it?

Never said that, you imagined it. Just said there's more pressing issues than feelings.

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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> You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. You haven't seen me say that I oppose indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality? I've repeated that in almost every single reply I've made to you. > Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed. Don't pretend you know where my sympathies lie, especially when you don'…

> You said earlier that Russian people are "silent or tacitly supporting" the invasion Many are, not all. > which justifies indiscriminate hatred towards Russian people. Which is it? Never said that, you imagined it. Just said there's more pressing issues than feelings.

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Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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> You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. You haven't seen me say that I oppose indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality? I've repeated that in almost every single reply I've made to you. > Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed. Don't pretend you know where my sympathies lie, especially when you don'…

> You said earlier that Russian people are "silent or tacitly supporting" the invasion Many are, not all. > which justifies indiscriminate hatred towards Russian people. Which is it? Never said that, you imagined it. Just said there's more pressing issues than feelings.

I'll just make the charitable assumption that you didn't understand what I was saying and the context that I was saying it in, then.

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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> I am not sure there is such a thing as "respect" at the very high level. The public opinion is easily swayed and important actions are dictated by pragmatism This seems like a convenient way of just hand-waving away the entire concept of morality. Maybe this is how Russians view the world, but it's not how anyone else does. They say this is part of the problem with Putin: he just can't conceive of a world where eve…

I like how every time US has absolutely nothing to do with regime change and somehow the wiki page on that is mile-long. I guess this ok, because there are obviously "civilized" countries with proper morals and other countries that are eager to do a transition to democracy, just in need of a little push. With Yanukovich, it was already a democracy, almost a right one but not exactly Whataboutism is about dropping the…

I'm not saying diplomatic realism is useless, or that countries shouldn't act strategically to further their own interests. I'm saying that you have to balance those needs against the very basic moral standards that are hardwired into (almost) all of us. I'm not talking about hypocrisy, but about the basal revulsion all decent people should feel in seeing hospitals bombed and innocents massacred.

Yanukovich was caught rigging an election in 2004. He got caught and lost the subsequent clean version. He then had the gall to run again years later (with loads of support from Putin), somehow managed to win, immediately threw a bunch of the old leadership in prison, and then set about breaking the promises that got him elected. That's why he got run out of office, and the fact that he fled to Russia when things got hot is very telling. The US had nothing to do with any of this. _Of course_ we were cheering for the people of Ukraine. Of course we were excited to see a people we viewed as long-suffering fighting so hard for their freedom. But Putin drove them away on his own, and Americans have no particular interest in Ukraine (or Russia, for that matter) that goes beyond wanting to see the world be a peaceful place that's conducive to free trade. And fwiw, the length of a Wikipedia page likely has a lot more to do with the community's level of interest in a given topic than it does the level of State Department complicity in that topic. :)

I was imprecise with my wording. The population of the USSR, as I understand it, was pretty deliberately shifted around in the 20th century to prevent uprisings, and I'm sure the former Soviet ethnicities themselves aren't segregated. But I have friends of color—people who obviously are not from the area—who _have_ been to Moscow and say it was uncomfortable in ways that nowhere else in Europe had been. Anyway, my point was more that you don't see Russia accepting refugees from the Middle East or anywhere similar: the country exists entirely on the supply side of the migrant crisis.

The situation in the South China Sea is complicated. I'm not going to pretend it's my area of expertise. That said, the Western agenda there is to ensure freedom of navigation for everybody, and prevent China from seizing one of the world's busiest shipping lanes. I'd also point out that no one has invaded anyone else (with the arguable exception of the Chinese dredging operations that sparked this whole controversy to begin with).

I agree completely that when you can't question the truth, it's time to get suspicious. That's exactly the point I was trying to make about the recent Russian media blackout. People outside of Russia have access to all kinds of information about the war, including official Kremlin statements. The Western media report on what Putin's spokespeople are saying. It's just that it usually turns out to be demonstrably false. The Biden administration, on the other hand, announced the invasion days before it happened. I don't trust them because they're my government; I trust them because they accurately predicted the invasion and because the reporting on the ground continues to corroborate what they're claiming.

I think I do a pretty good job of listening to other perspectives. I even watched a few autotranslated segments of Russia-1 before YouTube blocked it. (Olga Skabeyeva is freaking terrifying!) But how many times do you have to be lied to by somebody before you stop trusting them?

Re: Ask HN: Why did the ruble stabilize and what's going on?

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I like how every time US has absolutely nothing to do with regime change and somehow the wiki page on that is mile-long. I guess this ok, because there are obviously "civilized" countries with proper morals and other countries that are eager to do a transition to democracy, just in need of a little push. With Yanukovich, it was already a democracy, almost a right one but not exactly Whataboutism is about dropping the…

I'm not saying diplomatic realism is useless, or that countries shouldn't act strategically to further their own interests. I'm saying that you have to balance those needs against the very basic moral standards that are hardwired into (almost) all of us. I'm not talking about hypocrisy, but about the basal revulsion all decent people should feel in seeing hospitals bombed and innocents massacred. Yanukovich was caugh…

Just before opening HN to check for your answer, I saw a headline saying "US won’t rule out military action if China establishes base in Solomon Islands". The US for sure respects their sovereignity, BUT. I guess there is going to be another entry on that wikipage soon - this is not about shipping lanes, it's a power flex and we all know that

>Anyway, my point was more that you don't see Russia accepting refugees from the Middle East or anywhere similar: the country exists entirely on the supply side of the migrant crisis.

While it's mostly true that Russia isn't very eager to accept refugees, I disagree that Russia is supplying them, with the obvious exception of the current situation - right now here is more than a million of refugees from Ukraine. Speaking of Middle East, at least we are trying to stabilize it and talking to and supporting governments instead of "shocking and awing".

I guess you talking specifically about black people feeling uncomfortably in Moscow, and you might be right becase they are a rare sight even in the capital, let alone all other place, of course they attract stares and curiousity

Props to you for going as far as watching russian TV and you are right about them lying a lot, but you are a tiny minority. If you are still interested at checking pro-russian points of view, I can recommend RWAPodcast on Twitter. Ironically, I discovered them from american journalist Glenn Greenwald whose writing I enjoy a lot

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