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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by stonemetal12 » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 6:51 PM UTC

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

>It’s only gotten easier, as software generally moves more and more to SaaS web apps and the intrinsic cross-platform nature of the browser.

What is the difference between not knowing what the software on your system is doing and not knowing what any of your software is doing and it is not running on your system?

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 6:52 PM UTC

stonemetal12 wrote: post #241

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

>It’s only gotten easier, as software generally moves more and more to SaaS web apps and the intrinsic cross-platform nature of the browser. What is the difference between not knowing what the software on your system is doing and not knowing what any of your software is doing and it is not running on your system?

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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by mixmastamyk » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 6:56 PM UTC

jtbayly wrote: post #147

sneak wrote: post #86

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https://web.archive.org/web/20210903214920/https://www.apple... (linked from the above-linked wikipedia article as citation for the clientside scanning feature documentation on wikipedia) https://web.archive.org/web/20210903214920/https://www.apple... Apple said they were doing it. Apple never subsequently said they were not doing it. (They did say some things that implied that they MIGHT not do it, designed to make…

So far you haven't given any evidence of what you claim, which is that this app is Apple implementing their client-side CSAM detection scheme and silently and secretly including it in Mac OS. No evidence at all. So I reiterate: Why should I believe you?

You just moved the goalposts.

Please don’t reiterate obtuse questions when reasonable answers were delivered on a silver platter.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by digisign » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 7:13 PM UTC

30367286 wrote: post #216

digisign wrote: post #209

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My Dell Precision 55XX works fine with Ubuntu, everything is supported. For example I have two 4k monitors at HiDPI... which I've been using for over five years, despite frequent mentions on this site that it doesn't work.

Cool, you should talk to ModernMech, he’s having trouble with power management. Or indeed any of the folks on this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30644113

Not possible to reply any longer.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by asdff » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 7:15 PM UTC

conradev wrote: post #215

gotaquestion wrote: post #148

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> It’s your machine, but the inner workings are this ineffable mystery. At some point, every machine's software becomes an ineffable mystery. Do you know what is going on in all your 3rd-party Linux drivers, say, from NVIDIA?

As someone who used to work at Apple and have this knowledge at my fingertips… It really is nice to have, when you want to look it up. Userspace daemons and their behavior should not be a mystery. At an extreme minimum, most daemons on macOS have at least a man page describing their high level function.

Where is this documentation? Can you demonstrate how to invoke a man page for a particular background daemon? e.g. an arbitrary process from launchctl list output?

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by TremendousJudge » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 7:24 PM UTC

gotaquestion wrote: post #238

TremendousJudge wrote: post #165

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What's your point?. That since some software doesn't play nice and doesn't treat its users with respect, we shouldn't value all the software that does? I don't find this agreeable

I don't think I meant that, although it might sound like it. I think you're accusing me of the fallacy of all or nothing, but to me the original argument sounds like an obsession with purity, but clearly one line isn't enough to explain that. The replies to my original post seem to me to be arguing for 100% transparency from the keyboard to the atoms on the finfets. I don't think I'm strawmanning that (maybe hyperbol…

Thanks for elaborating. I agree with what you just said, a high level of snobbery won't fix anything, and expecting everything to be "pure" is utopian. That being said, I think that the original commenter was just expressing his frustration at the fact that "tech minded" people continue to buy into Apples ecosystems and then observing the behaviour as though they didn't own their stuff. In a way, not dissimilar to your point elsewhere about how people complain about Nvidia drivers but keep buying their hardware.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by mst » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

gotaquestion wrote: post #238

TremendousJudge wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your point?. That since some software doesn't play nice and doesn't treat its users with respect, we shouldn't value all the software that does? I don't find this agreeable

I don't think I meant that, although it might sound like it. I think you're accusing me of the fallacy of all or nothing, but to me the original argument sounds like an obsession with purity, but clearly one line isn't enough to explain that. The replies to my original post seem to me to be arguing for 100% transparency from the keyboard to the atoms on the finfets. I don't think I'm strawmanning that (maybe hyperbol…

Everything is about trade-offs.

Since I can't meaningfully audit kernel level stuff anyway (not my area) I mostly care whether it works for me (or for the production purpose the customer needs or etc.) and that's not an ideal world but I choose to prioritise open source userspace contributions and running code.

I also run windows 10 on a Thinkpad Helix 2 for my personal machine - with WSL to provide me an X11 environment that I use to ssh to the debian/freebsd/ machines I'm actually doing development work on. I like writing server side code (and tolerate writing browser side code) so being a linux desktop admin would involve a whole extra field of expertise that wouldn't gain me anything, and I'd rather spend the required learning time on writing and publishing more code instead.

Other people are entirely welcome to choose entirely different trade-offs, of course, but this particular attitude works for me.

Edit: Ironically, my one foray into OS X ended because Aqua insisted on reaching into my X11 instance and controlling focus, which completely trashed my fvwm2 FocusFollowsMouse setup in terms of usability for me, so I decided the Microsoft black box was a better trade-off than an Apple black box even though in those days I had to have cygwin for my X11 + ssh setup.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by black_puppydog » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #231

teknopaul wrote: post #210

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Re: "I find it so odd, Linux users overlooking the fact that people who don't tinker with computers all their life do not have the time to get Linux up & running." Statement is a bit out of date, apart from a good PC, most Linux users don't even know they are using it. I find it crazy people have apps running on their Macs and windows desktops that they can't even find out what it is doing, let alone how it works. Th…

I find it crazy people have apps running on their Macs and windows desktops that they can't even find out what it is doing, let alone how it works. Have you looked at a Linux syslog lately? This is 20.04 LTS on desktop. It does a lot on its own. Probably too much. Mar 31 00:33:18 Nagle-LTS whoopsie[1278]: [00:33:17] Cannot reach: https://daisy.ubuntu.com Since the system was idle at the time, why did it need to conta…

> There's a lot happening behind the scenes. Hopefully none of it is hostile or contains backdoors. One wonders.

No, one doesn't wonder. one googles that, then there's an answer. That's exactly the root's point here.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by legalcorrection » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 7:29 PM UTC

gigaflop wrote: post #123

koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

This reminds me of Windows Search Indexer on my PC. Microsoft's spying aside, it apparently needs 13.5% or more of my CPU at all times. It started after I updated multiple time sin a row, and for the past few weeks, has never stopped. I've killed it via task manager, only to have it come back shortly after.

Windows Search Indexer and Windows Update are probably the worst two components in Windows, though at least Windows Update has gotten noticeably better in the last few years.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 » Thu, Mar 31, 2022, 7:50 PM UTC

"Note that all these are on the SSV, therefore can't be tampered with in any way."

Who does this computer belong to, the author or Apple, Inc. Let me guess, Apple controls the SSV and decides what files it contains. Removing crapware becomes exceedingly difficult. Brilliant.