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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by alophawen »

Tomte wrote: post #206
gerikson wrote: post #50

In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

Out of curiosity: with very limited knowledge of the language I would have translated "ska" as "will" or probably better "should" (in the sense of "if someone tells you you should give up resisting, it's false"). Is this a usage of ska I haven't learned?

Not sure I grasp your question really. In this sense, the form you use is correct.

Do note however that Swedish is famous for multiple meanings of words.

The verb "ska" (short form of "skola"), has at least 5 meanings.

1. will do : "jag ska bara äta först"

2. (conditionals), something could happen: "om du hade pengar, skulle du ha råd med en iphone"

3. (enforcing rules): "man ska inte slå sina barn"

4. (signaling intention): "jag ska åka på semester"

5. (communicating an statement, not nessecarily truthful): "han ska vara välhängd"

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by netsharc »

dotancohen wrote: post #234
penjelly wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the video was pretty obviously fake though imo. i saw more real deepfakes 5 years ago

Might not be so obvious to a soldier who has slept one hour a night for the past two weeks, eaten only canned corn and tuna, hasn't gotten ammo replenishment in days, and is watching this video on a tiny cracked screen with a dying battery with the volume very low as the internet connection fades in and out.

Plus, several passes of lossy video compression.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Tomte »

alophawen wrote: post #241
Tomte wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity: with very limited knowledge of the language I would have translated "ska" as "will" or probably better "should" (in the sense of "if someone tells you you should give up resisting, it's false"). Is this a usage of ska I haven't learned?

Not sure I grasp your question really. In this sense, the form you use is correct. Do note however that Swedish is famous for multiple meanings of words. The verb "ska" (short form of "skola"), has at least 5 meanings. 1. will do : "jag ska bara äta först" 2. (conditionals), something could happen: "om du hade pengar, skulle du ha råd med en iphone" 3. (enforcing rules): "man ska inte slå sina barn" 4. (signaling int…

Thanks! I was just unsure because the translation above seemed to stress the past, "resistance has ended".

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by wila »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #123
odonnellryan wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh not on HN sorry. I meant in the context of general conservative discourse. I have friends and family who bring up the Clintons a lot.

The right wing political machine made Hillary Clinton out to be the devil. They, correctly, anticipated her run for president after Obama, and spent years making her out to be the worst person in America before she even began campaigning. The result is many conservative circles are still obsessed with her even though she is relatively unimportant.

Russia put her on the sanctions list too.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by hnarn »

Tomte wrote: post #243
alophawen wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure I grasp your question really. In this sense, the form you use is correct. Do note however that Swedish is famous for multiple meanings of words. The verb "ska" (short form of "skola"), has at least 5 meanings. 1. will do : "jag ska bara äta först" 2. (conditionals), something could happen: "om du hade pengar, skulle du ha råd med en iphone" 3. (enforcing rules): "man ska inte slå sina barn" 4. (signaling int…

Thanks! I was just unsure because the translation above seemed to stress the past, "resistance has ended".

That’s because the translation is incorrect as I mentioned in one of my other comments :)

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

paganel wrote: post #198
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #147

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But @paganel apparently thinks it’s totally okay to bomb that street while civilians are walking on it. Talk about priorities.

> But @paganel apparently thinks it’s totally okay to bomb I didn't say that, way to go. Come on, this is HN, not some sub-reddit shithole.

You did say exactly that.

> it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator.

A bomb killed 20 civilians. Who the fuck cares if a street it fell onto was named after a war criminal? Makes it a legit target?

So, let's carpet bomb all those Strada Ion Antonescu it took me all 15 seconds to find across Romania. After all, you are saying it's illegal to name a street like that, so let's de-nazify them. Right?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by najra »

gureddio wrote: post #203
mufufu wrote: post #65

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I don’t know, honestly I felt the opposite way, maybe because I’m not Ukrainian and it’s not my native language. But I found the level of deep fake we can achieve nowadays truly scary. Even if it was a shoddy job, I feel like that’s enough to convince a lot of people, or at least stir confusion

I think the promise is there... but when I come across a deepfake right now, they often don't seem convincing to me. This one included

could be that you don't realise the convincing ones are deepfakes, and you only spot the bad ones?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by hnarn »

Ourgon wrote: post #197
gerikson wrote: post #50

In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

An updated version of that section in the form of a booklet was distributed to every household a few years ago, the advice is mostly the same. Stay Alert! Trust no one! Keep your laser handy! (OK, that last one came from somewhere else).

“Trust no one” is not what the newer or the older version of the pamphlet suggests, rather it quite correctly points out that during wartime the amount of misinformation can be expected to be massive, so you should be extra vigilant in verifying the source of the information. Trusting “no one” would imply a complete free-for-all which is hardly conducive to an effective defensive strategy.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by RoboRy »

lettergram wrote: post #232

So much of the video I’ve seen online is fake. I’d argue most of the video on Twitter; particularly of burning vehicles and tanks.

would you mind posting an example of allegedly fake content? If I've been getting duped the past weeks, i'd like to be able to tell how

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by krapp »

mikeyjk wrote: post #224
jonathanstrange wrote: post #212

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That might be the best way to make him do something. When he realizes that people think the fake video makes sense, he'll claim the video was real out of spite and start defending a reasonable position.

That is hilarious. Can we use deep fakes combined with trump's spite to move him closer toward the left??

He used to be a Democrat - one of the excuses people had for voting for him was that he would really govern from the left. There are (probably authentic) photos of him palling around with the Clintons. He praised Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State.

I don't think you can deepfake Donald Trump. The man is a recursive deepfake of himself.

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