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YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by andrewjf »

nxm wrote: post #153
andrewjf wrote: post #92

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> Both parties need to learn that if you lose it’s because voters just didn’t like you that much. What you're saying is only true in a dream world where gerrymandering, closing polling places, and preventing access to ballot boxes (in-person or otherwise) isn't happening. Unfortunately this isn't the case. So, no, you are wrong.

By gerrymandering I hope you’re including Democrats in NY state

Sure, for every NY, and Maryland, etc. there’s a Wisconsin, Ohio, Georgia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Texas, etc. the parties are not equal here, this is way more prevalent among republicans in swing states.

It’s a serious problem for all citizens, but republicans are incentivized to keep doing it.

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Post by atlantas »

AaronFriel wrote: post #133
natsup123490 wrote: post #75

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Hard times and war change people. Many changes are negative: poorer, less secure, less trusting, more fearful, devastating losses. But other changes are for the better. And you don't need war to make these changes. If you make them before hard times come, you'll be better prepared for them: becoming more stoic (less emotional, less offended at everything), becoming more serious, more resourceful, more self-reliant, l…

All of the things you wrote as good things are (mostly) good things, glittering generalities that have no bearing on whether hard times are good or bad. To connect the two, you'd have to complete the scurrilous reference made that we are currently in a time of "weak men". You may or may not be aware that the "Hard times..." meme is widely used among not just stoics, but also fascist groups to suggest that the current…

What's the deal with using guilt by association as a way to disparage or dismiss ideas? Seeing that a lot lately.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by pfisch »

hatware wrote: post #74
pfisch wrote: post #27

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To be fair they let Trump run with this stuff a long time. It was really only after he led an attempted insurrection based on these "claims" that they shut down his ability to keep spreading this stuff.

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Is this the event that you are referring to?

https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1489691175883882496

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Post by jmull »

pokstad wrote: post #230
jmull wrote: post #220

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I don’t get why people think youtube should be forced to host stuff they don’t want to host. Youtube should be socialized and forced to become a content-neutral storage? But why?!? We have the internet, where you can rent or run your own server and storage and post your conspiracy theory videos.

No one is arguing about YouTube being forced to do things. People are discussing how sad it is that YouTube has gone down that road.

It’s sad that youtube can choose what content to host?

It’s sad that not everyone agrees with all the choices they make?

Doesn’t seem sad to me.

The alternative, where youtube cannot choose what content to host, seems sad to me.

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Post by andrewjf »

8note wrote: post #151
andrewjf wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Both parties need to learn that if you lose it’s because voters just didn’t like you that much. What you're saying is only true in a dream world where gerrymandering, closing polling places, and preventing access to ballot boxes (in-person or otherwise) isn't happening. Unfortunately this isn't the case. So, no, you are wrong.

Voters still ultimately decide. Not all voters are equal, but if people dont like you, you won't win

Not buying it. The races are so polarized that it basically doesn’t matter who runs at all, which is why so much focus is on voter suppression and gerrymandering.

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Post by octoberfranklin »

slg wrote: post #88
jorgesborges wrote: post #22

I’m becoming more convinced that the future I’ve been planning simply won’t be possible in the decades to come. The world is scarcely recognizable. And having experienced nothing but peace and prosperity makes me feel woefully unprepared. The WEIRD world is becoming increasingly more authoritarian. I’m already detached from real conflict and scarcity, knowing nothing but peace and prosperity, and the TikTok generatio…

I always enjoy a well crafted comment like this in which the reader can't tell if the "authoritarianism" you are decrying is the former president trying to circumvent democracy or the censorship of people who are spreading that message. It allows you to collect upvotes from people on both sides thinking you are accusing the other of authoritarianism.

I have been seeing this weekly the past few months.

People have found a vulnerability and learned how to hack it.

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Post by _yoqn »

dillondoyle wrote: post #181
_yoqn wrote: post #114

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“Racially motivated patterns of voter suppression are responsible for Stacey Abrams not being governor of Georgia right now.” — South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D), in remarks in Bow, N.H., Oct. 25, 2019 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/30/did-racia... Also don't forget about Bush v. Gore. It's apparently a "historic" moment when Gore finally conceded the election to Bush. https://www.history.co…

That is completely different than claiming there were millions of hacked ballots and all kinds of other crazyness. Those are legitimate political arguments about voter suppression laws. No one on the left claimed Kemp and Republicans stuffed ballot boxes or China hacked whatever. The argument is based in facts. Many Republican controlled states, especially in the south, have historic issues with suppressing the votes…

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Post by tdfx »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #172
cabaalis wrote: post #103

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Either people have and live by principles or they don't. Part of our division is these sides you speak of, instructing their followers what to believe about individual topics.

Most atrocities in the world are committed by principled people. If they didn't have them they wouldn't care enough to commit them.

I think you're right and I can only assumed you've been downvoted because people didn't like your use of the word "principled" (which we usually reserve for good people) being used to describe idealogical absolutists.

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Post by YaBomm »

another_story wrote: post #187
dayvid wrote: post #127

It's scary how many of the systems we were worried about in China (e.g. social credit system, censorship, etc.) are basically being created now in the west through the proxy of critical companies blocking access and/or working together.

A bit different considering the west has alternatives which are not blocked, whereas China doesn't. You can even spin up your own sources and serve whatever you want,a right not afforded the average Chinese citizen.

Only a bit different when you compare monopolies to governments which are ultimate monopolies...
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