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Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by Gollapalli »

heurist wrote: post #192
coolso wrote: post #144

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Love him or hate him, if you don't think Trump caused a monumental, almost overnight shift in both public and governmental opinion towards going back to promoting American manufacturing, bringing jobs back to America, and finally fighting back against China for their decades of taking advantage of us... you're letting your bias do all the talking, and that's sad. You'll note that in his debates, Biden took some lines…

Bernie was saying the same things before Trump showed up - this is a general trend, not caused by anyone in particular.

Bernie and Trump basically had the same policies on immigration as well (for labor politics purposes). Trump was basically an old school labor democrat who said some edgy things.

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by netizen-936824 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #92
netizen-936824 wrote: post #53

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Business are still run by people. Nobody was forced to see someone else doing something shitty and then say "well I just need to be a bigger asshole than that guy! Must be okay 'cause it's not illegal" People have far too simplistic models of how things work, this is the consequence of a lack of understanding and shortsightedness

Businesses also need to have customers. No clothes maker was forced to manufacture in poor countries, but the alternative was to simply stop existing since insufficient customers are willing to pay the price premium for purely American made clothes. Hence the only solution would have been legislation forcing domestic manufacturing.

That's assuming that our current model is the only/best way of doing things, which is a bit shortsighted

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Post by lazide »

munk-a wrote: post #106
blackbear_ wrote: post #66

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> Because the economics literature is quite clear that international trade is beneficial to all involved. If you narrowly focus on economics, yes. But what are other consequences, outside of economics? By outsourcing everything, you lose control. You allow uncontrollable external factors to affect you. You open yourself to be blackmailed. So in a way yes, those principles are weak because they are incomplete. They do…

In theory by allowing private entities to run these businesses you're also losing control. If you need absolute control then what you're asking for is a command economy - I lean toward socialism but that's a bridge too far for me. Some supply chain instability is the result of allowing healthy economic activity especially when the modern goods we're talking about are immensely complex and require incredible specializ…

Any theory which does not take into account a country manipulating a market so it can get a monopoly on a key economic element for other countries, then use that to subjugate or conquer them is a hopelessly naive theory.

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Post by rootsudo »

atlantas wrote: post #10

90%! Did we really let ourselves become so reliant on Ukraine and Taiwan for computer chips? Taiwan being the next country most under threat. In fact, Reuters just reported that "Taiwan warns Chinese aircraft in its air defence zone" https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-reports-ni...

I wonder what great name they'll think up next.

Operation Iraqi Liberation. OIL.

What fits CHIP?

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by netizen-936824 »

mym1990 wrote: post #219
netizen-936824 wrote: post #53

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Business are still run by people. Nobody was forced to see someone else doing something shitty and then say "well I just need to be a bigger asshole than that guy! Must be okay 'cause it's not illegal" People have far too simplistic models of how things work, this is the consequence of a lack of understanding and shortsightedness

Per Einstein: 'A model should be as simple as it can be but no simpler'. I think people tend to overcomplicate things than oversimplify. A true understanding of something can be hinted by being able to explain it in a simple way.

I view the same quote from the opposite perspective. Our current model is far too simple, Einstein would have said we're missing a whole bunch of nuance and variables.

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by s1artibartfast »

coenhyde wrote: post #238
s1artibartfast wrote: post #233

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Why not? Seems like a great time. Buy low

Ever heard the phrase "don't try to catch a falling knife"? We don't know how far this crisis will go. And we've only just started on the path of serious sanctions.

Seems like the risk that Russia and Russian based companies won't exist 5 years from now is low

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by s1artibartfast »

verve_rat wrote: post #235
s1artibartfast wrote: post #233

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Why not? Seems like a great time. Buy low

Because sanctions might mean you can't get your money back from Russia. And Ukraine might not exist as a country soon.

What money would go into Russia? Just buy on a US stock exchange

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Post by rodgerd »

partiallypro wrote: post #189
Guthur wrote: post #160

This is not the reason. Pure and simply Russia needs people, its dying. Low birth rate, high death rate, little immigration to make up the short fall (who wants to move to Russia :)), and to top off a weak economy that will struggle to support a small less active workforce. Interestingly Ukraine has pretty much the same population problem. This will be increasingly common problem for countries as population growth sl…

The entire Western world is declining birth rates. It's very worrying. People complained about over population, but a nose dive in birth rates can become near irreversable.

There is no lack of people in the world. This is only an issue if you have some sort of deep-set racist need to only be around people of a particular skin colour.

Re: Ukraine is a major producer of neon gas, critical for lasers used in chipmaking

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Post by k0k0r0 »

immmmmm wrote: post #225
pier25 wrote: post #167

We should be talking about grain, not gas. Russia is the biggest exporter of wheat in the world with 18%. Ukraine accounts for 7% of the world's wheat. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/17/infographic-russia-... This conflict will affect 1/4 of the world's wheat which will affect food prices. In 2010 Russia stopped exporting wheat due to wildfires burning their fields (most likely caused by climate change). This…

We should be talking about human lives. My Ukrainian colleague was terrified for his family today.

I agree completely. I feel shocked, I can't quite yet comprehend, what has happened. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the same for most of my peers in my country, i.e. germany.

Edit: Slight mistake.

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Post by actuator »

newuser94303 wrote: post #227
rootusrootus wrote: post #82

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Indeed it apparently costs close to 10% of their military budget just to respond to Chinese incursions. That's a heck of an incentive.

That makes sense. Most of China's military policy seems to be economic. They make cheap subs for defense. US buys really expensive subs so they can attack. They spend some money their military and all the countries around them spend more money on their military. The other countries get poorer since military investment returns nothing so they have to borrow from China for critical infrastructure.

Not really, it is well alleged that CCP has a lot of military spending off the books. So the % figure of GDP we see might be higher.

Also, China's posturing is not just defensive but has an offensive side as well, as seen by the naval bases it has been trying to build across the world, even in Africa.

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