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Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Macha wrote: post #118
captn3m0 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw this one today, which asks you to pick a "cheese" illustration: https://imgur.com/a/fQSQpX4 . I'm very much of the opinion that almost all modern captchas are american-centric. Mailboxes, fire hydrants, Trams are not recognizable for billions of people.

Buses: American style school/prison buses are only recognisable from a childhood of watching american media Sidewalks/Crosswalks: American English terms Traffic Lights: We never put them in strings above roads A lot of US-centric assumptions built into captchas I see

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Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by SergeAx »

JeanMarcS wrote: post #233
SergeAx wrote: post #203

OP is literally encourages this behavior by solving those captchas. The right way is to say "fuck you" and use another service.

OP here. TBH I was that close of doing that, I totaly understand your reaction. But until this day I was happy with the service provided, never had a bad surprise, and my profile is very shiny with good reviews from everywhere I stayed, alone or with my (young) kids so I never have problem to book any place I go. But maybe it's time to try other services

Sunk cost then. Understandable, but a bit irrational. My heart is with you, though.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by krageon »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #163
DominikPeters wrote: post #124

I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

> In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people Wut? Have you actually ever met a person who can't? I always suspected the electoral majority is not particularly bright (which sort of contradicts the idea of near-100 being an average IQ nevertheless) but if this is "unusually smart" then things feel really creepy.

> Have you actually ever met a person who can't?

Certainly, when I read this I immediately thought of three.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by jb1991 »

jakupovic wrote: post #161
jb1991 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would Airbnb be to blame for this? Because they have pushed back hard on cities’ attempts to regulate and enforce what is happening due to the influence of their service. They have no respect for what is happening in some places and how residents are impacted. Your argument is similar to saying that Facebook is not to blame for the spread of misinformation. Tech platforms create a new world and then want nothin…

Your argument is: "we should ban sales of milk because people pollute with used containers".

Your proposed metaphor ignores the crucial question of degree, and thus fails.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by krageon »

IshKebab wrote: post #176
DominikPeters wrote: post #124

I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

Wait are you really suggesting that the Airbnb programmers thought "guys, we need to stop low-IQ people from using our site"?? That's crazy. > explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farms" Uhm yeah. They're trying to keep people from human fraud farms (who happen to be low-skilled workers) out. It's not a weird elitist conspiracy to keep all low-IQ people from soci…

> paranoid

In this case one (excluding "human fraud farms") and the other (excluding people who would work, but currently don't work, at human fraud farms) are the same thing. Not at all paranoid, in other words :)

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by nickpp »

hiharryhere wrote: post #157
imiric wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Airbnb be to blame for this? They're providing a market that fulfills demand for low cost or privately owned accommodations, competing directly with the established hotel industry. Not everyone wants or needs to stay in a hotel, and many people prefer the tourist experience facilitated by local hosts. Long-term rentals are also a convenient way to experience a location that doesn't involve complicated paper…

Residents have a say in how their city functions. A well run city balances the needs of its constituents - schools, access to shops, bus routes, community centres, parks, parking etc. It also balances the need of business, tourism operators, hospitality etc. None of that works when an operator like Airbnb ignores it all. Nimby’s give community consultation a bad name, but the alternative is the Wild West. No thanks.

So, basically, Not In My Backyard, no?

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by Brian_K_White »

fredoliveira wrote: post #188
Brian_K_White wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do exactly in fact automate your actions. You decided you wanted to kick off a rather large process by clicking a link, and the browser performed countless individual and dynamic actions as a result. Just to take one macroscopic crude simple example since we apparently don't have much imagination to work with here, did you evaluate every one of the individual http fetches in that page to decide if you wanted to…

> since we apparently don't have much imagination to work with here Oh, I'm much more likely to engage in a great conversation after an ad hominem. Sigh. I am well aware of how browsers work and what they automate for you. But you called them bots. You lumped them with several other types of software, which doesn't make sense. I never said you were incorrect — I said you were going for the technically correct and the…

Pedantic was not an insult, but unimaginative was, got it.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by nickpp »

nisegami wrote: post #148
cambaceres wrote: post #112

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Sorry for sounding like a cynical right-winger but I'm sure people prefer to share toilets with other people instead of sleeping in the streets. In my country there are very regid regulations on what standard apartments has to fulfill, which has the consequence that not enough apartments are built that can be afforded by poor people.

I've long since suspected that a small part of the housing crises in the developed world is due to the high minimum standards for apartments and housing.

Small?! Supply side is completely f-ed in real estate by red tape and regulations on building. It's the main reason we have such housing costs across the developed world.

Re: Tell HN: Airbnb just stole me 5 minutes of my time adding dices

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Post by mafuy »

IMSAI8080 wrote: post #183
cambaceres wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for sounding like a cynical right-winger but I'm sure people prefer to share toilets with other people instead of sleeping in the streets. In my country there are very regid regulations on what standard apartments has to fulfill, which has the consequence that not enough apartments are built that can be afforded by poor people.

Having a bathroom shared between many strangers is exceptionally annoying. You have to queue for your turn to use the shower. If someone spends ages in their, well bad luck you're going to be late for work or no shower for you. Many people these days choose not to share a single bathroom even between family members, never mind trying to negotiate with your co-residents. Then how is this shared bathroom cleaned and by…

I disagree. These problems are true, but they can mostly be worked around. For instance, do you have to shower in the morning? - many people do not. They are not worse than other problems the affected people experience, I'm sure.

The cost issue is less from the inventory and more from the space. Even just 2qm (quite small bathroom) more per unit adds up to a lot quickly.

Personally, I hate to share a bathroom with neighbors. But when I could not avoid it for a while when I was younger, it could still manage. I'm sure others in less fortunate positions could, too, considering the other, more impactful crap they have to deal with.

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Post by selfhifive »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #163
DominikPeters wrote: post #124

I see this as high-IQ software developers building systems to shut out non-high-IQ people from society. Managers look at these CAPTCHAs and think "oh I could solve these no problem, let's use them". In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people or by ML bots. Arkose Labs (the maker of this particular captcha) explicitly advertises that their methods can keep out "low-skilled workers" on "human fraud farm…

> In fact, they can only be solved by unusually smart people Wut? Have you actually ever met a person who can't? I always suspected the electoral majority is not particularly bright (which sort of contradicts the idea of near-100 being an average IQ nevertheless) but if this is "unusually smart" then things feel really creepy.

I have met people who can't and people who won't. Also, a lot of people in their 50s and above aren't solving this.
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