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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by wrboyce »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #8

The whole ecosystem around Apple products seems to be a commitment to producing e-waste in the short-term. It's really bizarre. A 20 year old PC still works. It might be slow, but as long as it's 64-bit, you can run modern software. If it's older and 32-bit you might be struggling but it's at least theoretically possible. By contrast Apple seem hell-bent on creating this environment in which they control the software…

How many 20 year old PCs are 64bit? AMD didn't introduce Athlon 64 until 2003 and good luck running IA-64 with anything resembling a modern OS.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by asddubs »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #88
samwillis wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. It's possible to find something funny and be highly critical of it at the same time. Laughing at something outrageously bad is a pretty standard reaction.

This is like sharing popcorn when the playground bully picks on a kid you don't like.

no, i think it's more of a cynic's laugh. After all, the better comparison is that this is like laughing when the playground bully picks on you.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by LinAGKar »

tinus_hn wrote: post #231
unfocussed_mike wrote: post #39

I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. I am a long-time Mac user and I find myself fervently hoping that Apple has made the completely unnecessary self-own that will finally help people forget the whole keyboard fiasco. This is the most staggering example of deliberate, bad-faith arrogance that they could have come up with. If Apple is now the kind of business that joyfully thumbs its nose at regulator…

Obviously Apple is positioning itself here for a negotiation with regulators, in a way that leaves as much options open for them as possible. They aren’t going to grovel and then ask if they’ve been groveling enough, they take strong positions they do have arguments for and then they negotiate. Most people wouldn’t expect Sony to be forced to allow free access to the PlayStation platform. There really isn’t that big…

Sony isn't positioning the PlayStation as a general purpose computer though.

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Post by mmis1000 »

capableweb wrote: post #184
jaywalk wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IE isn't embedded in the OS in any significant way any more, and hasn't been for a while. Windows Explorer used to basically be a wrapper around IE, for example.

Nowadays the Windows default browser is called Microsoft Edge (based around Blink engine), and you still cannot remove it from the OS as it's "essential component of our [Microsoft] operating system", at least according to Microsoft themselves: > Microsoft Edge is the web browser recommended by Microsoft and is the default web browser for Windows. Because Windows supports applications that rely on the web platform, o…

Windows 11 shell is based on chromium now.

I don't know if it shares with the core that buildin edge use. But if it is the case, then obviously you can't remove it just like you can't remove core of ie in pre windows 11 world.

By the way, some function of the new shell seems relies on service not available under safe mode. So the explore.exe will crash repeatedly when you are in safe mode. __And it openes the edge for help article every time it crashed__, so you ends up with dozens of same tab in the edge.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by runjake »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #39

I am puzzled that he really appears to find it funny. I am a long-time Mac user and I find myself fervently hoping that Apple has made the completely unnecessary self-own that will finally help people forget the whole keyboard fiasco. This is the most staggering example of deliberate, bad-faith arrogance that they could have come up with. If Apple is now the kind of business that joyfully thumbs its nose at regulator…

He doesn’t find it funny. If you know Marco from his old blog or his “tiny” podcast[1], you’ll know he is being cynical.

1. https://atp.fm

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Post by gkbrk »

scarface74 wrote: post #198
onepointsixC wrote: post #185

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Sure I agree that dark patterns which try to prevent your from canceling are awful and the iOS App store comparatively makes that easy. But that's great argument for regulators to step in to prevent dark patterns. Cancelation should be just as easy as signing up.

Right because more laws to govern technology is the answer to bad laws with unintended consequences. Or “why I see a cookie pop up on every damn web page I visit .” Has the government ever made a good law regarding technology? The last one I remember is phone number portability.

> why I see a cookie pop up on every damn web page I visit

There is no regulation that requires every website to give you cookie pop-ups. If you are seeing that, it is because the websites you visit are trying to stalk you online and making the popups as painful as possible so you will dislike the regulations instead of asking them not to stalk you.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by sashenka »

simion314 wrote: post #34
tiagoleifert wrote: post #2

From "Distributing dating apps in the Netherlands" ( https://developer.apple.com/support/storekit-external-entitl... ) section "Displaying the in-app modal sheet".

I did not know about this. Clearly shows how Apple will fight to keep it's abuses on each country individually and each sector individually, EU needs to intervene and make this global for EU.

No thanks, keep this garbage in the Netherlands.

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Post by dont__panic »

freetime2 wrote: post #197
vanilla_nut wrote: post #148

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And the inevitable cancellation dark patterns! I cancelled my prime membership the other day, and holy cow , I had to confirm my intent at least 5 times. Offers to “pause”, a page telling me what I’ll miss out on, plus more pages that boil down to “actually?!?!” Seems like subscriptions have gotten out of hand. Since the goverment can’t regulate meaningfully, I’m at least glad that Apple has some solution to this, ev…

I also learned recently that if you cancel a trial Prime membership early, the benefits end immediately instead of ending at the end of the trial period. I generally like to cancel trial memberships immediately after signing up to ensure that I don’t forget about it and accidentally get charged for something I don’t want. If I end up liking the service then I’ll happily enter my payment info again at the end of the t…

Ah, that reminds me -- cancelling your (pre-paid year) subscription also very much makes it sound like you're going to lose your benefits immediately. Another scummy scare tactic to spook you into forgetting to cancel until it rolls over for another year...

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Post by Grustaf »

coder543 wrote: post #238
Grustaf wrote: post #236

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The companies expanded the acope of their activities, from physical to virtual. Apple’s policies remained the same. As to covering all the important things in life, it’s only an issue for things that are 1. Not physical, or “content”, and 2. Not available through the browser. Can’t think of anything important in life that you HAVE to pay the 30% on, but I’m sure there’s something.

> Apple’s policies remained the same. No… they didn’t stay the same. Apple has changed their policies, numerous times. In this specific case, it is easy to point to the changelog that added person to person classes as something that owes Apple 30% commission.[0] Many large companies' lawyers clearly interpreted the guidelines to not include such events until Apple updated the guidelines, or else Apple would not have…

Clarifying the rules is not the same as changing them, ask any hermeneutic.

> Also, whether an activity is physical or virtual should be entirely irrelevant

You can hold any belief you want, but there's nothing illegal or immoral about a phone charging fees for one but not the other. It's up to them obviously, and to me personally it makes a ton of sense to make that distinction. A virtual class provided through an app vs something happening in the real world.

I don't know what PWA is so I'm not sure how crucial it is, but if Android has it, that seems like yet another reason for people like you not to have iphones. If you are talking about push notifications in web apps, that's something I have never ever missed.

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