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Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by root_axis »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #118
olyjohn wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's being removed from you again? Don't sideload apps if you don't like sideloading. Keep using Apple's app store if you like it, or maybe in the future, you will find you like an app store better than Apple's. We will never find out if someone does it better than Apple, if nobody can even try.

> What's being removed from you again? Don't sideload apps if you don't like sideloading. Keep using Apple's app store if you like it, or maybe in the future, you will find you like an app store better than Apple's. We will never find out if someone does it better than Apple, if nobody can even try. Um, the fact I've told any semi-non-competent person to buy iPhone because it very specifically won't screw up like the…

> Um, the fact I've told any semi-non-competent person to buy iPhone because it very specifically won't screw up like the popup ridden land of Android.

How does this relate to your original comment claiming you're losing something you paid for?

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by jdrc »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #239

The main question is: What about push notifications? WHAT ABOUT PUSH NOTIFICATIONS?!! Even if we sideload an app, with modern mobile OS architecture many classes of apps will be almost useless if sideloaded apps will not be able to use push notifications provided by an operating system.

well what about them? an oversaturated channel that inevitably will become useless. Maybe users should be trained to seek the information they want instead of a device telling them what to think. It's heathier.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

mopsi wrote: post #236
toqy wrote: post #220

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If Chrome’s battery drain vs Safari on MacOS is an indication of how it’ll be on iOS then I’ll pass

That's fine. But don't take away my freedom to decide that for myself.

At this point Apple zealots usually say you are free to buy device form another manufacturer, because Apple is not a monopoly.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by t-writescode »

DannyBee wrote: post #65

One downside (as a consumer) of this bill is that it requires app store owners to allow spamming users "A Covered Company shall not impose restrictions on communications of developers with the users of the App through an App or direct outreach to a user concerning legitimate business offers, such as pricing terms and product or service offerings." Yay, more spam (probably all starting with "Dear user, we have a legit…

Do we know how the CAN-SPAM Act might protect people from over-noisy apps? Or is that only for email? Or?

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by smnrchrds »

flutas wrote: post #177
zepto wrote: post #154

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> afraid that non-App Store apps will be able to install viruses or brick their devices - which isn't the case. It absolutely is the case.

> It absolutely is the case. If that can happen, then that is a security flaw of the device and should be fixed, no? I mean, reading a text could install a virus on iPhones last year, yet I didn't see people screaming that all texts should have to go through Apple to make sure they aren't a virus.

For heaven's sake, don't give Apple any more ideas!

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by chillfox »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #239

The main question is: What about push notifications? WHAT ABOUT PUSH NOTIFICATIONS?!! Even if we sideload an app, with modern mobile OS architecture many classes of apps will be almost useless if sideloaded apps will not be able to use push notifications provided by an operating system.

No, too many apps wants to interrupt whatever I am doing to nag/inform me about non time critical stuff.

I have disallowed notifications for almost all apps on my iPhone. I will check an app when I want to check it, not when the app developer wants me to.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

jdrc wrote: post #242
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #239

The main question is: What about push notifications? WHAT ABOUT PUSH NOTIFICATIONS?!! Even if we sideload an app, with modern mobile OS architecture many classes of apps will be almost useless if sideloaded apps will not be able to use push notifications provided by an operating system.

well what about them? an oversaturated channel that inevitably will become useless. Maybe users should be trained to seek the information they want instead of a device telling them what to think. It's heathier.

Ever heard of messaging apps? The kind you want to beep when somebody sends you a message?

Currently you have 2 ways of providing this to your users: run the app in the background, maintaining a persistent connection to the server, or via push notifications, where an app is woken from disabled state and displays a message. And background processes are killed off on iOS in less than 15 seconds (the documentation states 30 seconds, but we've never seen it in practice). That leaves push notifications the only choice.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by donmcronald »

Zak wrote: post #155
nerdjon wrote: post #69

As long as this does not cause an exodus from the App Store and I am forced to start paying for apps directly, I am fine with this. But a strong benefit to the App Store for me is being able to manage and cancel my subscriptions from a central place. No going through 5 screens, no being forced to call, no any of that crap. I can already see apps refusing to carry through the App Store so they can control more, and I…

Android offers sideloading and third-party app stores (with minor limitations), yet the vast majority of users do not sideload Android apps. I remember reading it's about 1 in 200 who does, which I found surprisingly small. Commercial apps that aren't in Google's store usually want to do something against Google's rules - sometimes for good reasons, sometimes not. I don't think you'll find many apps jumping ship enti…

I bet part of the reason for that is because of how it's presented. Google puts up several warnings that you have to click through and they're all along the lines of "this will ruin you phone!" IMO having sideloading isn't anything more than a well thought out, long term plan to deflect accusations of anti-competitive behavior. In reality they do everything they can to discourage users from sideloading.

The biggest issue for me personally is that it's not clear how, or if, sideloaded apps are sandboxed and how they're granted permissions. The warnings seem intentionally designed to play on those fears. If they're sandboxed the same as other apps and have fine grained permission controls I'd do a lot more sideloading.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by LexGray »

Arcsech wrote: post #193
Nbox9 wrote: post #186

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> all Apple has to do is give a >60% discount to their current prices.

If being forced to compete fairly requires them to drop their prices by 60%, I think that’s a pretty good argument that they’re not competing fairly at the moment.

When you are competing against stores that require you to use their ad-tech framework to make up the difference it is a different equation.

The idea of billions of devices out there with constantly running background ad-tech frameworks horrifying to me. It would make the AirTags stalking seem like a joke if every phone secretly tracked every Bluetooth. Right now Apple is in the stream to say no to that.

The argument seems to be Apple should just lock down things even further to prevent it from happening…

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