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Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

space_fountain wrote: post #226
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #213

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It's just different use cases. Backdoors are more useful for targetted operations or specific data exfiltration, while plugging yourself to back bones is more useful for mass surveillance. I don't even see why it's controversial to hold this opinion. Reading some comments, people seems to feel offended we could think that from the USA. If anything, the USA are, with Russia and China, among the countries anybody in Eu…

But, and this is where the equivalency annoys me. You could literally end up in jail for saying some of these things about China in China. You could just as well talked about abuses of women and the me to movement, but the reason that hasn't happened in China may well be not that there men are somehow better behaved, but that they appear to have put a women who did come out with an accusation under house arrest until…

Yes, cancer is worse than diabetes.

Not the point.

The point of my comment is: I assume any gov to have such backdoor if they can.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by ashwagary »

seneca wrote: post #230
ashwagary wrote: post #216

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People have a hard time admitting that what Snowden/Assange revealed about the US is much more damning, from infected servers to keyloggers built into USB cables. I find China is useful as a mirror to the US. If they are doing something problematic, it's highly likely the US gov is too but just hasn't disclosed it to the public.

> I find China is useful as a mirror to the US. If they are doing something problematic, it's highly likely the US gov is too but just hasn't disclosed it to the public. You think the US is engaging in systematic genocide? I'm guessing not. If so, you should consider why you would say something so ridiculously out of step with reality.

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Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by aendruk »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #169
01acheru wrote: post #14

Hug of death probably so I cannot read the article. Anyway that's the reason why I don't buy Chinese crap anymore. I'm not saying that I don't buy anything made in China, almost everything is made in China, but everyone should avoid Chinese crapware. If something doesn't match the description send it back, if you find random executables that you cannot identify send it back, if you are asked to register on some weird…

"If you find random executables that you cannot identify send it back, if you are asked to download a sketchy application" That means I should send back laptops made by Sony and Dell too though?

Ideally. But life is short, so choose your battles.

Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by jandrese »

briffle wrote: post #145
rafale wrote: post #126

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Why was the printer connected to the public internet? A DMZ subnet would have prevented this vector of attack.

I don't think I have ever seen a major US office building where the printers were on an isolated network. They are usually on the same network as the workstations, but sometimes on the server network, so the print server can connect directly to them. And to be honest, (I have been out of it for a few years now) I have yet to see a company block OUTGOING access on a DMZ.

At my work the printers are on their own isolated network. Print servers act as the bridge between the networks. Basically they were not trustworthy enough to be on the same LAN as the workstations.

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[deleted] wrote: post #238
01acheru wrote: post #14

Hug of death probably so I cannot read the article. Anyway that's the reason why I don't buy Chinese crap anymore. I'm not saying that I don't buy anything made in China, almost everything is made in China, but everyone should avoid Chinese crapware. If something doesn't match the description send it back, if you find random executables that you cannot identify send it back, if you are asked to register on some weird…

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Re: We purchased a machine from China and it came with malware preinstalled

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

seneca wrote: post #230
ashwagary wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have a hard time admitting that what Snowden/Assange revealed about the US is much more damning, from infected servers to keyloggers built into USB cables. I find China is useful as a mirror to the US. If they are doing something problematic, it's highly likely the US gov is too but just hasn't disclosed it to the public.

> I find China is useful as a mirror to the US. If they are doing something problematic, it's highly likely the US gov is too but just hasn't disclosed it to the public. You think the US is engaging in systematic genocide? I'm guessing not. If so, you should consider why you would say something so ridiculously out of step with reality.

Well, let's count how many people the USA killed with 2 wars in Irak, one in Afghanistan, one in Vietnam and countless operations in South America. Or how they mostly put non white people in a privatized prison system that then exploit them. Or how their police is so peaceful and close to the population the entire country had a debate about de-funding it.

Sure, China is worse, but it does make a useful mirror. Like Russia was a useful one during the cold war.

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Post by pomian »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #62
3pt14159 wrote: post #54

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You know what? I don't care anymore. When this type of thing happens it's almost always China. Whether it's intentional malware or a lack of QA, how could one tell? They have such a reputation for both I don't know why we still let their electronics into our countries.

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Brilliant!

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

throw10920 wrote: post #232
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #200

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Yeah, I read those kind of comments before. But then again, we got a PRISM, XKeyscore or NSO Pegasus coming out of the box every other year. So I stand by "fair play" to qualify my assumptions.

> Yeah, I read those kind of comments before. Just pointing it out: this is a really sneaky way to avoid providing any sort of evidence for your claims whatsoever. But to address your claim: security and cyber attack stuff are not remotely comparable to IP theft. You'll have to do better than literally pull claims out of thin air. And, exactly none of those incidents you mentioned have anything to do with IP theft. Y…

I don't need evidence since from the beginning I'm insisting that it's my own assumption.

That's how assumptions work.

And I'm not focused at all on the IP theft, only on the backdooring.

People just started to focus on IP and the USA after the fact, because americans think the USA and money are the center of the world and see it everywhere even when they are not the main point of the conversation, but just examples.

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Post by Scoundreller »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #80
DrBazza wrote: post #68

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> "efficient" MBA eloi outsourced everything to morlocks a long time ago. This is the biggest weakness of the West - and it all stems back to "share holder value". Companies, US ones, in particular, seem to have some absurd drive to pay endless dividends to shareholders, and drive 'value' via share price, by appearing to be profitable. In other words, get stuff from the cheapest provider. It didn't help that at the s…

People don't realize that the US defense budget is practically the only thing keeping American manufacturing alive.

Massive consumer demand helps too.

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Post by yorwba »

io98763 wrote: post #146
danieltanfh95 wrote: post #114

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it's because chinese goods are consistently good that anything bad is news. ironic isn't it literally everything is made in china, if the quality is as bad as you say the world would have fallen apart. It seems critical thinking is rare among news outrage these days. The same comments were said of Japanese products back in the day, "IP thieves", "shitty quality", and here we are decades later praising Japanese produc…

I don't recall the Japanese being accused of poor quality. Just imitating rather than innovating. Many Japanese products like swords, knives, cameras, have been known for surprisingly high quality for a long time. Centuries in some cases. I'd say Chinese manufacturing is a little cheaper and a lot lower quality, and generally the price difference is not remotely sufficient to make up for the loss in performance. You…

> I don't recall the Japanese being accused of poor quality.

It was a different time: https://www.nytimes.com/1952/01/13/archives/japanese-machine... "The Japanese flair for imitating, but not equaling, the manufactures of occidental nations has caught up with her machine-tool industry, ..." (1952)

First it was imitating, but not equaling, then it was imitating with equal quality but a little cheaper, and a few generations later nobody remembers that "Made in Japan" ever meant anything but high quality.

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