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Re: Many clothing donations end up in African landfills

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> Employees of local producers are great too, the theory I always hear is that people getting paid in an area stimulate more economic activity. So I mean you should take that idea apart more as it is pretty much established wisdom. The "established wisdom" you cite is a long-lived natural propaganda campaign. It begins with politicians, people who succeed or fail based mostly on their image, not on the quality of the…

sure. but at the same time, this is true of pretty much anything in Africa, due to their poor infrastructure. You have to have local firms (or self employed) making something, and selling that something, so that they can employ local people, and so on. But it's often cheaper to build/make/farm that something in EU/Asia/Americas and ship it to Africa. Something has to break this cycle.

> Something has to break this cycle.

This "something" is unlikely to be protectionism.

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> Today, the average American buys 68 new items of clothing per year. > “You wonder, do people in America have so much money that they can just wear things once and then throw them away?” I uh… I too would like to know. What scares me is that the use of whatever demographic is causing that average has to be way higher than the actual average, but this feels like it has to be bimodal. And there are lots of these numbe…

Living with my girlfriend really opened my eyes to how many clothes women go through. She even tries to be responsible about it and sell items to second hand markets, but I still think it’s a bit crazy. - Women’s fashion cycles much faster then men’s. Office wear is a bit more stable but anything aimed as social settings like weddings may only provide a few opportunities to wear it before it’s out of style. Men can r…

I can confirm, as a guy, I still wear 20 years old clothes. I only ever buy new ones when the older ones tear and I don't have anything else to replace them with already.

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>It’s definitely true. I’m basically a T shirt and shorts guy and my son once told me it is a “flex”. as opposed to what? having to wear a suit and tie?

Basically any activity-appropriate clothing (per social, not practical, rules). In most cases I can’t be bothered figuring out what clothes to wear. I mean sure, a wedding or a funeral I know, but otherwise? A fancy restaurant? Lawyer meeting? Giving a talk? Who cares? I go to board meetings in my normal clothes, and with my dog, and until my kid said something it didn’t even occur to me to do otherwise. I do remembe…

> I do remember buying a car years ago and my wife commenting, “At home [europe] they wouldn’t even let you in the door”. In the Vally they just want to do business.

Doesn't match my experience. I assure you they'll happily sell you a car regardless of your attire over here.

Re: Many clothing donations end up in African landfills

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Some of my female relatives truly believe that no outfit should be worn twice, even for men. A piece might be worn a few times with different things, but never the same thing twice. They have even criticized me for wearing the same tie two says in a row or not refreshing my t-shirt colours regularly. And I should have two suits in case I go to a two day event.

Much of the men's style stuff I see is about trying to find high-quality, neutral articles that can be worn over and over again, and in different contexts. They talk about things like "cost per wear" and "capsule wardrobes" and the like. I couldn't imagine throwing out some of my favorite pants, shirts, or jackets until they were beyond repair.

Yeah, seems insane to me. When I find a piece I like I often buy it in multiple colors. Best of both worlds: Same great clothing and still some variation.

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That's details. Look at list of the top richest people and look how most of them got there. You can see trends that go beyond any single person and any accounting tricks. The real estate moguls don't create value for society. They capture finite resource with capital and extract the value from society to capture even more. It's literally called rent. Check out Bezos. Amazon is in large part worker-exploitation-as-a-s…

It's not details, it's the central tenet of your argument was that billionaires are rich because they extracted something and there's no free lunch. That's just now how it works. Most of the new tech billionaires got rich entirely on the value of companies they created or invested in. Tesla has been pushing the old automotive industry that's built around internal combustion into the EV era, and SpaceX has been loweri…

> That's just now how it works. Most of the new tech billionaires got rich entirely on the value of companies they created or invested in.

That value doesn't come from thin air.

> Tesla has been pushing the old automotive industry that's built around internal combustion into the EV era

Telsa routinely overpromises and underdeliveres. It sells best where governments use tax money to pay for it. As a company is insanely overvalued. And while it made some actual progress, which is hard to avoid with billions flowing around it had created nowhere close to the value Elon Musk is free to command. A lot of that money came from taxes, a lot from pockets of people (both customers and investors) that could use it way better but were duped by wonderful fairy tale. And Tesla working culture has plenty of worker exploitation vibes.

And Tesla is just the best case scenario. Other stuff is way more obviously costly to the social and ecological environment.

Let's take SpaceX. It's just a venture based on occupying different point on price/quality curve. His rockets are so cheap that they blow up routinely for reasons that are no mystery for people that were involved in rocketry on govenrment dime. And btw his rockets are still paid for mostly by tax money.

> allowing companies to provide more connectivity and other satellite services to more people

Have you heard about Starlink? It allows ordinary people to sponsor acceleration of progression of Kessler syndrome, through the use of crappy saltelite internet that will only get worse as more people use it. Not to mention screwing up scientific community of people who chose to look into the sky.

None of what billionaires do are absolute wins. They are just absolute wins for them. They do some good by disseminating some useful technology and finding ways to automate making stuff making it cheaper. But that's just some of them and that's just part of what some of them do. What all of them do is democratize doing damage to our planet and to society. Thanks to billionaires, you too can exploit workers, you too can benefit from child labor, you too can generate irreverisible environmental damage, you too can accelerate the end of sattelite era.

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