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Re: Adding unusable RAM for tax reasons

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Post by mellavora »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #174
Forgeties79 wrote: post #39

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That defeats the purpose of the law. If they’re flagrantly violating the spirit and intent by barely passing the technical requirement, then the law should either A) be removed or B) retooled to address the loophole. We should never encourage ignoring certain laws or it undermines the whole system. It’s why I don’t support states legalizing weed under the federal government’s nose/while they turn a blind eye. Sure, w…

Rule of law lasts only so long as the laws are accepted by juries. If the laws drift too from from public acceptability, the people will weaken rule of law on their own terms.

unless jury nullification is banned. Noting that there is a trend in this direction.

Re: Adding unusable RAM for tax reasons

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Post by peregren »

adrianN wrote: post #239
ianlevesque wrote: post #198

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Also an egregious waste of carbon emissions in the era of climate change though.

We should just put a price on carbon directly instead of optimizing lots of other rules to also take emissions into account. Fuel is just too cheap.

Too cheap for who?

There are carbon taxes being implemented and on the whole i think they are good. But combined with the current spike in energy prices, they are hammering some people.

Re: Adding unusable RAM for tax reasons

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Post by aaron695 »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #151
magicalhippo wrote: post #73

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Here in Norway we have the infamous "E6 ham". We have an import tax on dry-cured ham[1], but not unprocessed meat. Someone figured out it was cheaper then to import unprocessed meat from Spain to Norway, turn the truck around as soon as they were customs cleared and drive the 3000 km or so back to Spain for curing. Once cured they'd re-import the processed meat, which now has a different tariff due to being "Norwegia…

A lesson for anyone implementing metrics and incentives

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Re: Adding unusable RAM for tax reasons

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Post by [deleted] »

biztos wrote: post #235
magicalhippo wrote: post #73

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Here in Norway we have the infamous "E6 ham". We have an import tax on dry-cured ham[1], but not unprocessed meat. Someone figured out it was cheaper then to import unprocessed meat from Spain to Norway, turn the truck around as soon as they were customs cleared and drive the 3000 km or so back to Spain for curing. Once cured they'd re-import the processed meat, which now has a different tariff due to being "Norwegia…

If hams are fungible from a customs point of view (why would they not be?) you could try pre-curing the hams and have them ready just across the border. Ham in, ham out, ham in again, no extra trip to Spain required. Then you sell the uncured hams you needed for the stamps to a pet-food factory or for German “salami” or whatever.

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Re: Adding unusable RAM for tax reasons

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Post by philjohn »

jrockway wrote: post #87
fredoralive wrote: post #55

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It seems that the issue was that Ford, the importer, changed the class of vehicle between import and being sold inside the US. Presumably if you aren't the importer you can go wild (IANAL).

Yeah, so they're really just getting punished for not dotting their is and crossing their ts. They could create a subsidiary with the same board of directors as Ford that they sell the cars to, and then the subsidiary does the dirty work of repurposing the cars from passenger vehicles to cargo vehicles. They skipped paying the $100 corporate registration fee, so now they're on the hook for a billion dollar fine that…

No, they're being punished for evading duty with a loophole, aware that it's a loophole.

Re: Adding unusable RAM for tax reasons

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Post by kgwgk »

biztos wrote: post #235
magicalhippo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Norway we have the infamous "E6 ham". We have an import tax on dry-cured ham[1], but not unprocessed meat. Someone figured out it was cheaper then to import unprocessed meat from Spain to Norway, turn the truck around as soon as they were customs cleared and drive the 3000 km or so back to Spain for curing. Once cured they'd re-import the processed meat, which now has a different tariff due to being "Norwegia…

If hams are fungible from a customs point of view (why would they not be?) you could try pre-curing the hams and have them ready just across the border. Ham in, ham out, ham in again, no extra trip to Spain required. Then you sell the uncured hams you needed for the stamps to a pet-food factory or for German “salami” or whatever.

What do you mean?

a) You bring two sets of high quality hams from Spain, one cured and the other raw

b) You cross the border in and out with the raw hams, and tell the customs clerk "I'll come back the processed product"

c) You cross the border again with the cured hams "that was quick, eh?"

d) You dispose of the raw hams selling them at a high discount on a roadside stand

I guess you can do it even more efficiently changing slightly the first two steps:

a) You bring a thousand cured hams and a single raw ham

b) You cross the border in and out a thousand times with the (only) raw ham you have

That improves the economics of the scheme, but makes it look even more fishy.

Re: Adding unusable RAM for tax reasons

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Post by consp »

magicalhippo wrote: post #73
geocrasher wrote: post #5

This reminds me of the Subaru BRAT in the early '80s. There was a 25% tarrif on imported pickups. So Subaru added two plastic jump seats in the back of the BRAT, even making them face backwards. No seat belts as I recall just handles. They weren't even really intended to be used. They were just cheap plastic. But they served the purpose of making the vehicle a four-seater car instead of a pickup, with only a 2.5% tar…

Here in Norway we have the infamous "E6 ham". We have an import tax on dry-cured ham[1], but not unprocessed meat. Someone figured out it was cheaper then to import unprocessed meat from Spain to Norway, turn the truck around as soon as they were customs cleared and drive the 3000 km or so back to Spain for curing. Once cured they'd re-import the processed meat, which now has a different tariff due to being "Norwegia…

This reminds me of puzzles (as in physical 1000 piece things) in the 90s. It was cheaper to manufacture them somewhere, import them, export them to Spain, import them again than sell them straight from the country of origin which I think was Finland. All the while the stuff never moved and it was all on paper afaik. The lettering had to be in Spanish though but it's a puzzle, you know how it works.

Re: Adding unusable RAM for tax reasons

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Post by eru »

consp wrote: post #247
magicalhippo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Norway we have the infamous "E6 ham". We have an import tax on dry-cured ham[1], but not unprocessed meat. Someone figured out it was cheaper then to import unprocessed meat from Spain to Norway, turn the truck around as soon as they were customs cleared and drive the 3000 km or so back to Spain for curing. Once cured they'd re-import the processed meat, which now has a different tariff due to being "Norwegia…

This reminds me of puzzles (as in physical 1000 piece things) in the 90s. It was cheaper to manufacture them somewhere, import them, export them to Spain, import them again than sell them straight from the country of origin which I think was Finland. All the while the stuff never moved and it was all on paper afaik. The lettering had to be in Spanish though but it's a puzzle, you know how it works.

They are called jigsaw puzzlez in English, I believe.

Re: Adding unusable RAM for tax reasons

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Post by eru »

peregren wrote: post #242
adrianN wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should just put a price on carbon directly instead of optimizing lots of other rules to also take emissions into account. Fuel is just too cheap.

Too cheap for who? There are carbon taxes being implemented and on the whole i think they are good. But combined with the current spike in energy prices, they are hammering some people.

Give the poor money, if you care about them. That's more efficient than making the tax system more complicated.

Re: Adding unusable RAM for tax reasons

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Post by eru »

desdiv wrote: post #221
drcode wrote: post #211

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Nutella was similarly invented as a chocolate substitute, to (you guessed it) avoid chocolate tariffs.

Do you happen to have a source for that? My understanding is that Napoleon's Continental System caused a shortage of cocoa in continental Europe, so chocolatiers had to substitute in hazelnuts. This became Gianduja[0], which later were modified to become Nutella. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianduja_(chocolate)

Isn't that basically exactly the same story as what the comment you replied to said?
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