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The medieval habit of ‘two sleeps’

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Oh wow. Babies sleep a lot.

This chart is just bullshit, there's absolutely no way a 15 week old baby sleeps from 11pm to 7am, then from 8am to 12pm, and then _another_ 4 hour nap from 2-6pm??, that's absolutely insane. Like, a doctor would be extremely worried about this baby

no. your babies may not do that, but it is considered normal.

one of my four children slept 18 hours per day, in three 6-hour sessions, for many months.

Re: The medieval habit of ‘two sleeps’

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I believe this theory is largely thought false nowadays, or phrased too strongly at least. I myself have weird sleep cycles. I prefer to stay up into the night and wake up around 12:00, but I vary my sleeping hours by up to 4 hours or so. I go to sleep when I feel like it, and don't feel much discomfort by falling asleep at different times. It leads to weird situations - especially in winter - where I might not see t…

what theory? the article is about a person who found copious evidence for this.

"two sleeps" was pure fact for a very long time.

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> And I’m quite sure they were doing a lot of that back in that time. Technically, they were all drinking alcohol because water was unsafe. However, beer at least had half the alcohol content that it has today and the wine was strongly watered. For women and children they even added water to the beer. Googled it once. The information should still be available.

Funnily, there was a HN thread a day or two ago that was calling _that_ a myth

everyone on this site thinks they're an expert after reading an article or three. this site is kinda insane that way.

almost no one here is willing to admit, in the heat of a discussion, that they don't know everything about the topic at hand, and it is maddening.

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The conjecture is that people will not willingly throw themselves on a line of spears and so the phalanxes would stop short of actually hitting each other. I don't think larpers would be able to test that well. I'm not sure how you would test that unethically

I feel like a great deal of melee warfare involved group A smashing itself upon group B. Phalanxes, as I understand it, were effective because they were particularly good at this part. So given that we already had lots of other varieties of troops throwing themselves at the spears, why do we doubt that other phalanxes would specifically be unwilling to do the same?

The idea is that a phalanx trained under the assumption that their formation was nearly invincible as long as they were experienced enough and worked together well. Both the members of the phalanxes and the generals would be hesitant to risk that by sending them against another phalanx where they lose all their inherent advantage and would need to fight in a different way.

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My wife and I thought the same as you, BTW. Then she visited a sleep training centre with our daughter. Turns out if you stop feeding them or going to them in the middle of the night, they adapt and sleep through in less than a week.

They have training centers for this now? I'm genuinely horrified. I'm aware there are different meanings to "sleep training" depending on who talks about it, but the way you imply they use the term ("stop going to them", i.e. let them cry it out) it's just a cutesy way to say "neglect". There's a reason parents pick up this version (i.e. the "let them cry it out" version, not the "create a safe and comfortable enviro…

Do you actually have kids? Your comment makes it seem like you've got very strong opinions and no actual experience to back it up.

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post #138

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Oh wow. Babies sleep a lot.

This chart is just bullshit, there's absolutely no way a 15 week old baby sleeps from 11pm to 7am, then from 8am to 12pm, and then _another_ 4 hour nap from 2-6pm??, that's absolutely insane. Like, a doctor would be extremely worried about this baby

The chart is slightly misleading, in the sense that the ranges shown are more like the very strong average sleeping patterns across babies. It doesn't mean that none of them woke up for a quick feed. But even without a feed, sleeping from 11pm-7am, is certainly not abnormal.

16 hours of sleep also falls within normal for a 15 week old baby for most sources I've seen, so I'm not sure why you'd be worried? I had a look, and my daughter was around 15-16 hours. No big naps during the day, but she slept 7pm-6am maybe waking twice for feeding.

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They have training centers for this now? I'm genuinely horrified. I'm aware there are different meanings to "sleep training" depending on who talks about it, but the way you imply they use the term ("stop going to them", i.e. let them cry it out) it's just a cutesy way to say "neglect". There's a reason parents pick up this version (i.e. the "let them cry it out" version, not the "create a safe and comfortable enviro…

Do you actually have kids? Your comment makes it seem like you've got very strong opinions and no actual experience to back it up.

"Let them cry it out" being neglect isn't a strong opinion, it's the literal definition. A lot of neglect and abuse has been socially normalized but that doesn't make it not that: thankfully corporeal punishment has been outlawed in most Western countries although many parents and educators still struggle understanding that punishment itself is ineffective.

That children who are subject to any given for of abuse or neglect don't "seem" harmed by it, doesn't make it harmless either. I think we've all heard people who hit their kids argue that "my dad hit me when I was a kid and it didn't do my any harm either" and don't accept that as a justification anymore.

I'm not saying people who do this (because they are taught to do it) are bad people. I'm saying what they are doing is bad and that there are training centers who sell neglect as "sleep training" (which can refer to other things) are bad.

I don't know why you think "do you even have kids" is a gotcha but yeah, I have kids, I also have nephews and I have friends who have children. Would you insist that someone isn't allowed to speak on whether it's okay to hit your wife if they aren't married, too? That someone telling you off for leaving your dog in the car on a hot day has no right to criticize you because they don't own a dog themselves?

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