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Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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Just curious - do you also think 90% of people are a serious concern?

I mean philosophically speaking our entire species is a concern. What drives us can also destroy us. Paradox.

It's called freedom. I don't think anyone would have it any other way.

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> There are no known physical or chemical tests for depression. The absence of evidence is not an evidence of absence. It is true that so far , we don't have physical or chemical tests for depression. This doesn't prove that the chemistry or the brains or neurotransmitters are functioning the same way in depressed and non-depressed people, it just says the science still can't tell.

Which is entirely irrelevant. The relevant part is that depression is diagnosed based on reported symptoms, not physically detected. The fact that it is not physically detected is not evidence that it can't possibly be physically detected, just a statement that it isn't .

My issue with TLA is that it states that "There is no depression Gremlin". I disagree: I think that there may be depression Gremlin, we're just unable to reliably discover it yet.

Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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In their hunt for simple answers to complex questions people often forget that they are far too complex to be defined by 16 types of 4 colours. That said though, MBTI did help me figure out a lot about myself. Discovering MBTI back in 2009 was definitely life changing for me and I've kept it in the back of my head since then, mostly to improve myself and rarely applied to others. I've been in one amazing relationship…

After a quick search it seems like the idea of 'matching types' was removed from the most popular MBTI testing site (I swear it used to say in the romantic relationships section), and different sources seem to have different opinions on which types match. My own experience is that there is definitely some value to the idea, so my question to you is, is it a legit part of the MBTI 'theory', and is there a canonical li…

It used to be listed, I mean there have been hundreds of sites about MBTI so who knows where but the last time I saw the romantic matching of types was just 2 years ago on a relatively recent Swedish testing website.

But yeah I mean I'm not a scholar, I was just able to identify with what I read about INTP and it was eerily accurate when I first read it.

But people change. I have a friend who tested as INTP back in the 90s, their first test, then took another test in the 2000s and was a different type.

So you grow and you try to improve yourself. Being heavily introverted is a curse and a blessing sometimes.

Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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Again, I haven’t read the book or know anything about the author. All I know is that this article is asserting the author of the book is a fraud. That is a positive statement, and insufficient evidence has been provided from my reading.

He is a fraud because the alleged scientific evidence does not exist.

Simply being wrong or misinformed isn't fraud in and of itself though. One could be incompetent, for instance.

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It does not need to be fraudulent, it is enough that it states facts as scientific when they have not been proven.

This article is naming “fraudster of the year.” I think they should show evidence of fraud in this case.

Is it not fraud to claim a scientific backing behind the concepts, when no such backing is provided, and likely doesn't exist? Is it not fraud to claim to be an "expert" in a field in which you have no formal training and likely no practical experience?

Those two points above are what I walked away with as the claims along with as much proof as they could muster. Because they can't prove that there's not something that scientifically credits DiSC, but they can say that they did not find anything. As a bonus, they're also clearly intellectually honest in asserting that they could also not find anything discrediting DiSC. They also conveyed what they could not find regarding the author's education and experience. I'm not quite sure what more you are looking for here?

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Arbitrarily dividing people into groups with defined roles is the basis of the "Noble Lie" in Plato's Republic. In that, people are defined as having souls made of gold, silver or iron/bronze. The idea of giving people a role that they can focus on, from an early age, has some advantages. Of course pigeonholing people has a wide range of disadvantages; everything is a trade-off. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%…

I think of pigenonholing as a cognitive heuristic that spares you to involve your "system two" [1] when dealing with or talking about other people. It is a heuristic insofar as peoples' behaviour is more like a continuous spectrum than a discrete set of categories. The other cognitive heuristic that applies here is that of projecting n independent dimensions onto one or two, at best. Like in this case, the latter oft…

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Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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Which is entirely irrelevant. The relevant part is that depression is diagnosed based on reported symptoms, not physically detected. The fact that it is not physically detected is not evidence that it can't possibly be physically detected, just a statement that it isn't .

My issue with TLA is that it states that "There is no depression Gremlin". I disagree: I think that there may be depression Gremlin, we're just unable to reliably discover it yet .

The point isn’t that depression has no biological cause. The point is that there are probably numerous biological causes. To strain the analogy, there are probably dozens of different depression gremlins. Maybe even a depression goblin, and a depression troll.

Saying that you have “depression” doesn’t give you an understanding of what’s causing it.

We have a baby with colic. What does that mean? It means the baby cries 3 hours per day for 3 days a week for at least 3 weeks with no other explanation. That’s it. It’s not something you can point to and say oh that explains it. That’s the cause. It literally just means there is no explanation.

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The interesting question here perhaps isn’t so much whether knowing if you are a particular color or 4-letter Myers-Briggs combination helps you or whether there is a solid foundation to the categorization at all. What’s interesting here is rather: what happens when you think of everyone as a pigeonholed category. Intuitively it seems it should be mostly negative especially if the categories don’t even offer any beha…

>>> But something tells me that there could also be some positive effects from actually wondering about the behavior of others and how you treat them, even if it’s pigeonholing and preconceptions based on bogus research.

The problem is that "something good can come from lying to people" requires lying to people, and people believing the lie. If someone realizes that the whole thing is bunk, then the positive effect evaporates.

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"She used classifications for personal shorthand on how she thinks about people." I do not know how your friend did it exactly, but my main experience with people who are into astrology is different - they get told by the astrological models/dogma on how to think of people and combination of people. "I cannot be with this person, he is a lion and I am [whatever]" "Why are you together, your signs do not match each ot…

Years ago I studied astrology quite a lot. I've never been too interested in the divinatory side, and the pop-level generalizations such as those you cited are not even worth commenting. Instead I, like the OP's friend, think it's a rather interesting and deep system of symbols and archetypes. A set of lenses, if you want. Sometimes, looking at the reality through a certain lens yields interesting insights.

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Re: Swedes were fooled by one of the biggest scientific bluffs of our time (2020)

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The interesting question here perhaps isn’t so much whether knowing if you are a particular color or 4-letter Myers-Briggs combination helps you or whether there is a solid foundation to the categorization at all. What’s interesting here is rather: what happens when you think of everyone as a pigeonholed category. Intuitively it seems it should be mostly negative especially if the categories don’t even offer any beha…

Maybe you should extend your concern about those 90% books. IMO, they're just as problematic. They're simply less successful so we pay less attention to them individually, but IMO the trend of having 90% of books sold being total BS dressing as science or personal development is a serious concern.

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