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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by csa » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:02 PM UTC

caminante wrote: post #165

csa wrote: post #111

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> my understanding is that if you're single you can't really opt out of these apps, practically speaking. This is definitely not true. > Even the norms around dating, picking people up in bars, etc. are changing because of these apps This is true. > so it's harder to find people in the real world. This is sort of true. By not using a dating app, a single person is relegating themselves to how things were pre-app. Som…

After checking reality, online dating's the #1 way people meet, and its market share (>50%) is growing. [0] [1] [0] https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/21/online-dating-popular-w... [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/06/10-facts-ab...

Sure. It widened the options for most people. Excellent!

That said, as the post I originally responded to suggested, I don’t think that getting banned from Tinder or any dating app in particular is a “big deal”. Maybe a minor inconvenience for most people, but it’s not like someone who gets banned from Tinder is doomed to a life without dates.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by vidarh » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:04 PM UTC

jwong_ wrote: post #233

88840-8855 wrote: post #210

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That is great. Why would you have a "business" account on tinder?

Grandparent mentions IG, so assuming they created a business IG account.

The irony is last time I used Tinder it was clear they're totally unable or unwilling to deal with all the women using Tinder for "business".

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by 999900000999 » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:05 PM UTC

webdoodle wrote: post #139

999900000999 wrote: post #106

By far the best part is they didn't automatically cancel his subscription. What a horrible company, if you've banned my account that's fine but cancel the subscription and refund my money. If y'all haven't looked at it yet, read up on the FCC's filing against Match. They knowingly prompt up tons of fake profiles, to get you engaged. Horrifically this has lead to romance scams being the number one source of fraud in t…

To take it a step further, throw your phone away. I've been digital overseer/fear machine free for almost 2 years now, and can definitively say it's the best decision a person can make for their mental well being.

Thank you for the tip, even watching this thread. I'm tempted to argue with people. But I'm not, I left my phone at home and went for a walk. It's very peaceful to not have to argue with the entire world every single second of your existence.

I'm hoping going forward to have phone free weekends where I just shut the thing off and listen to a simple FM radio on my walks.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by guerrilla » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:06 PM UTC

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #212

guerrilla wrote: post #166

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This kind of thing is what they're talking about. > It was determined that the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men [1]. https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-g...

You shouldn't be taking pareto claims on a sample size of n=27 seriously There are apple flavored flat earth medicine studies with stronger statistics

It's been shown plenty of other places, including by OKCupid, which why I qualified with "kind of thing." It's common knowledge at this point.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by vidarh » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:07 PM UTC

HumanReadable wrote: post #237

I got permabanned when I tried logging in from my phone with oss android installed. In Tinder's defense I imagine my phone's system might have looked similar to that of spammers leading to a false-positive, so I don't mind the ban itself. What I do mind was that their official stance is that they don't reverse bans for any reason. Creating a new account is against their terms of service, so in theory I am locked out…

Buying a throwaway phone is the standard workaround to a Tinder ban.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by HumanReadable » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #245

HumanReadable wrote: post #237

I got permabanned when I tried logging in from my phone with oss android installed. In Tinder's defense I imagine my phone's system might have looked similar to that of spammers leading to a false-positive, so I don't mind the ban itself. What I do mind was that their official stance is that they don't reverse bans for any reason. Creating a new account is against their terms of service, so in theory I am locked out…

Buying a throwaway phone is the standard workaround to a Tinder ban.

It was not difficult to get around the ban, but I wanted to point out that doing so is not allowed. Having broken no terms-of-service, I can be banned with no means of recourse. That is extremely problematic even if it is possible to cheat the system.

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Post by diputsmonro » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #228

spywaregorilla wrote: post #206

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And yet forming priors based on experience gained in a classic multi arm bandit thompson sampling approach with appropriate exploitation exploration tradeoff is generally the dominant strategy in any static unfamiliar space. Alternatively, contextualizing things into niche stats frameworks doesn't make you correct, or sound intelligent.

The point was to say it without saying it, to provoke introspection in their arbitrary associations. The "it" being that the issue wasn't that they - and the future potential partners - didn't have a day job. And yet, this person chose that specific aspect of the relationship and elevated that to relevance for other relationships. Even further, they are applying this to people in other cities and geographies, amplify…

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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by vlovich123 » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:13 PM UTC

999900000999 wrote: post #149

emacsen wrote: post #140

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I don't know what happened in this situation, but generally refunding money for TOS violations is a bad idea. Let me explain why. Imagine that Alice runs a service where you can send people greeting cards. Bob decides he's going to use this service to cause trouble and instead of normal greeting cards, he sends people messages with hate speech, such as their race, their religion, says he hoped they get cancer, and so…

Then at least cancel his subscription. I can imagine a scenario where you need to login to cancel your subscription, but can't login because your banned. A while back Tinder was trying to bypass the Google Play subscription system so this is very possible.

They did if he signed up from Tinder.com. Not cancelling is if he subscribed via Play/App Store which presumably they have no control of on their side?

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by vidarh » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:13 PM UTC

HumanReadable wrote: post #246

vidarh wrote: post #245

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Buying a throwaway phone is the standard workaround to a Tinder ban.

It was not difficult to get around the ban, but I wanted to point out that doing so is not allowed. Having broken no terms-of-service, I can be banned with no means of recourse. That is extremely problematic even if it is possible to cheat the system.

Absolutely agree it's a problem. If anything that it's so easily worked around by those causing genuine problems also makes it less justified.

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Post by inglor_cz » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 4:13 PM UTC

endofreach wrote: post #240

zionic wrote: post #198

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>All of the avenues to contact Instagram are meaningless and don’t lead anywhere. I feel you. I got permabanned from tinder when I emailed their support asking how the verification process worked with couples. They replied with a ban notice and I was confused, turns out couples profiles are against Tinders T&C. I hadn't actually done ANYTHING to violate their T&C in-app yet, just asking their support about it was eno…

The monopoly on dating is definitely not tinder… it is: real life.

I wonder. Standards might have changed for the younger population, necessary flirting skills in person are no longer maintained as widely as they used to. Generally, things that are challenging tend to be taken over by technology.

It is not that different from how people forgot to orient themselves in a city without navigational apps. Or how they no longer know how to, say, make butter (unlike in 1900).