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Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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post #156

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> usually people are pretty receptive to just about anything as long as you respect them. Non-American here. I lived in the United States for over thirty years. My experience was different. I lost a lot of friends in the last ten years, because they started posting completely ridiculous, crazy stuff and were completely defensive of even the most reasonable objections. I'd put up with "Obama is a Muslim" for a long ti…

Spot on. I finally a cut a relative off after his long slide deeper into extremism culminated in posting Facebook memes demeaning me and people I cared about leading up to the 2016 election. I'm sure he thinks it was out of nowhere because he brushed me off when I asked him to stop saying such cruel and ignorant things. Said relative was completely unmoved every time I said "that's me. You know me. Why are you saying…

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Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Only one side picked up torches and marched for white supremecy, and had an entire news network support them. This is why all these articles on "why can't we just get along" are almost impossible to take seriously. If you look at the situation, the left is finally admitting that it is tired of trying to "get along," and it is hard to blame them.

Not every republican was in that crowd marching for white supremacy. Similarly, not every democrat participates in burning down churches and court buildings.

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Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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post #152

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I see everyone's forgotten the reason the far right are banned in Germany. Remember, Hitler won a democratic election, and (by implication) the popular debate.

I don't remember any elections Hitler has won, neither does Wikipedia. What did you have in mind?

He was elected Chancellor in 1933.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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I don't remember any elections Hitler has won, neither does Wikipedia. What did you have in mind?

He was elected Chancellor in 1933.

He was not. Hitler was appointed Chancellor by the president Hindenburg, it is not some obscure fact and can be googled in 5 seconds. I am confused why people keep insisting on such an obvious lie to be honest. Especially in this topic: Weimar Republic experienced the same degree of polarization and the breakdown of political process as the US is experiencing now. Instead of trying to make a new history it's worth reflecting on what is the next step after the political parties decide that their opposition is not worth any argument and needs to be eliminated.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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The media calling January 6th an 'insurrection' is a perfect example of the problem. It's pure sensationalism. There were no guns, there was no centralized organization to indicate an insurrection, the 4 people who died were all protestors, mostly from being dumbasses. Clearly those people who damaged the capitol should be punished, just like the Black Lives Matter protesters who damaged the Foley Federal Building. B…

Some reading for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_202...

Just so you know. Larry Sanger, a founder of Wikipedia. Wrote exactly about those articles, and it left leaning biases.

https://larrysanger.org/2021/06/wikipedia-is-more-one-sided-...

It’s a good read.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Polarization in America: One side invaded the capital building in a violent attempt to overthrow democracy, and the other side wants to make voting for whoever you want as easy as possible. Guess which pole I’m at and tell me how I should meet the other pole in the middle.

Just to make you aware, these views are extremist.

I was quite aware already.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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post #120

It's an interesting paper, but unfortunately it misses the point. Polar dissimilar political beliefs are not the problem. Many countries have this, and even have lively political discussions that remain civil, rallies that remain civil, and elections that remain civil. The actual problem is psychological, specifically dealing with identity beliefs. Once a person takes on a belief as part of their identity, any attack…

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned yet a key (admittedly not only) part in making the US so polarized: first past the post voting system which inevitably leads to a two party system. Good luck having nuance in that system. It literally pits people against each other in two umbrella teams. The internet's echo chamber mechanic has only amplified this. People need to challenge their own beliefs more often. You vote Democr…

> Who do you vote for in the primaries? Nobody cares... they should.

This is a mechanism that in the past limited polarization at the final election. Now, there's ideological policing-by-harassment within both parties.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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I'm American and I can't help but think many of you just lack social skills. It's very convenient to think that everyone's hyper-sensitive and there's nothing you could do to change that, but usually people are pretty receptive to just about anything as long as you respect them. Avoid leading/gotcha questions, don't smirk, appear to genuinely listen and seek to understand the other person, resist the urge to tool on…

> usually people are pretty receptive to just about anything as long as you respect them. Non-American here. I lived in the United States for over thirty years. My experience was different. I lost a lot of friends in the last ten years, because they started posting completely ridiculous, crazy stuff and were completely defensive of even the most reasonable objections. I'd put up with "Obama is a Muslim" for a long ti…

Ah. But the people making the outlandish accusations were your friends, right?

Imagine if it was the media. (Remember the Steele dossier?)

Or if the people making the most noise were actually the worst offenders. (Harvey Weinstein, Michael Avenatti, Mario Cuomo, Chris Cuomo, most recently John Griffin.... 'Party of Women', anyone?)

There is enough craziness to go around, I assure you.

I have crazy friends on both sides. I hope a return to sanity can happen.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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post #107

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I'm American and I can't help but think many of you just lack social skills. It's very convenient to think that everyone's hyper-sensitive and there's nothing you could do to change that, but usually people are pretty receptive to just about anything as long as you respect them. Avoid leading/gotcha questions, don't smirk, appear to genuinely listen and seek to understand the other person, resist the urge to tool on…

It's both. I work in political communications/as a civics educator. I also grew up in a purple state in the 90s with a half liberal family and a half conservative one. The media landscape is completely different now. When I was growing up, my dad and I would do things like listen to Limbaugh and then discuss what points we agreed with + how stuff was covered online (he read the Drudge Report and other conservative on…

> The media landscape is completely different now

Not entirely. Right-wing talk radio has been fanning the flames of hatred towards "liberals" (e.g., all "others") for decades. It's taken root and flourished.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/17/us/politics/limbaugh-deat...

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Can you respond to this? > Whether you feel it was an insurrection or not, can we at least agree that it was an attack on democracy? These protestors may not have been armed, but they were threatening and intimidating as they chanted things like "hang mike Pence" and "where are you Nancy?". > The overall context of course was that many of these people believed themselves that they were there to prevent the electoral…

> the electoral college votes from being counted by the joint assembly. By protesting or by....insurrection? > Whether you feel it was an insurrection or not, can we at least agree that it was an attack on democracy? These protestors may not have been armed, but they were threatening and intimidating as they chanted things like "hang mike Pence" and "where are you Nancy?". As much as the BLM damaging the federal buil…

I never said most of the things you're claiming I posited.

For what it's worth, you should try assuming good faith when you debate people here. It's in the rules first off, but it leads to better and more interesting discussion.

> the electoral college votes from being counted by the joint assembly. > By protesting or by....insurrection?

Fucking what? Just answer the question. By any method available including but not limited to straight up grabbing the ballot box and destroying them. If that is by "protest" or by "insurrection" is so irrelevant to my question. Are you even talking to me? Or some fictitious embodiment of all the internet people who disagree with you?

> It's most likely average people doing emotional things while angry and things got out of hand, not some organized conspiracy.

I did not ask if it was an organized conspiracy and I don't think it was. I asked if it was an attack on democracy. I mean that in the most literal sense and when I ask that I'm referring explicitly to the efforts to find and destroy the electoral ballots.

> If we looked at everyone more charitably , even people we disagree with, I think we would advance much farther as a species.

My interpretation of the events was that those people have basically been screwed over by decades of bad federal policy in the US, including by Trump. But Trump gave them an outlet for that rage. Anyone who broke the law should have their day in court but no, I don't think those people are somehow innately evil/horrible. Please stop assuming.

> As much as the BLM damaging the federal building in Vegas was an 'attack on democracy'?

Are you familiar with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism? Because this is about as low-hanging as the fruit gets for whataboutism and it's an argument I've seen re-iterated ad infinitum. It's different because of the things I said (which you didn't care to respond to) - namely, that the joint assembly was confirming the electoral ballots in the case of the Capitol in DC.

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