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Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Right? In a place called tornado alley who could have thought. If only a company like Amazon had some money to spare to figure local risks and plan to protect their people. In fact, its amazing Amazon is seen as so reliable since they couldn't foresee something like a Tornado in Tornado Alley killing their workers and disrupting business. You imagine a company which couldn't factor in that sort of risk goes out of bu…

St. Louis gets tornadoes, but it is not in tornado alley.

Yeah, probably not what most people think of as Tornado alley, but it’s pretty loosely defined.

Just about anywhere east of the Rockies should be prepared for tornadoes.

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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I don’t understand a few things, as they aren’t covered in the article, that I saw. Were there no warnings for the severe weather storm that would have prevented people coming in to work or allowed them to leave work early? When I was working in the office, we were usually forced (literally security swept the building) to leave when severe winter weather was coming in a few times. Why doesn’t Amazon, in the middle of…

> Were there no warnings for the severe weather storm that would have prevented people coming in to work or allowed them to leave work early

Bahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

The cost of them sending employees home during forecast severe weather would exceed the cost of a few of their employees dying, so yes there were warnings but no, the employees and contractors did NOT have the choice of not going in or of leaving early.

I doubt they have any kind of severe weather plan as well. I know the Amazon warehouse I used to work out of didn't have any (here in tornado alley).

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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post #161

I don’t understand a few things, as they aren’t covered in the article, that I saw. Were there no warnings for the severe weather storm that would have prevented people coming in to work or allowed them to leave work early? When I was working in the office, we were usually forced (literally security swept the building) to leave when severe winter weather was coming in a few times. Why doesn’t Amazon, in the middle of…

Tornadoes aren't hurricanes... There aren't hours and days of advanced notice. Only a few minutes. You can't shut down for every thunder storm on the astronomical chance it'll turn into a tornado and head in your direction. The article did somewhat address your questions: "Amazon said all employees were normally notified and directed to move to a designated, marked shelter-in-place location when a site was made aware…

> Tornadoes aren't hurricanes... There aren't hours and days of advanced notice. Only a few minutes. You can't shut down for every thunder storm on the astronomical chance it'll turn into a tornado and head in your direction.

Most thunderstorms don't include tornado alerts from the NWS. They absolutely can (and should) shut down when there are severe weather, but because they care more about profit than about their employees' lives, they don't.

Good to know you also care about profit more than people's lives.

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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I slept through three tornado sirens last night. It was pretty wild. The first one, I thought it was a test. (We have tests every month on the 1st.) But it wasn't until a few minutes in that I realized it was for real. Then apparently I just... went to sleep? That wasn't the smartest decision I've ever made. It went off a couple more times. One strange thing was the realization that I had no idea where to turn for in…

>The fall of TV You mean in your daily in-take of media? Local TV stations are required to broadcast weather. It's actually part of their licensing. So if you're not in the habit of turning on the local station because of crappy programming (like me), then you should at least be willing to find a local station during weather. Even if regular programming is on, they will break in when requested by the NWS. Local radio…

> Local TV stations are required to broadcast weather. It's actually part of their licensing. So if you're not in the habit of turning on the local station because of crappy programming (like me), then you should at least be willing to find a local station during weather

On what? I don’t have a tuner

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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post #161

I don’t understand a few things, as they aren’t covered in the article, that I saw. Were there no warnings for the severe weather storm that would have prevented people coming in to work or allowed them to leave work early? When I was working in the office, we were usually forced (literally security swept the building) to leave when severe winter weather was coming in a few times. Why doesn’t Amazon, in the middle of…

The article says employees were notified to go to the shelter-in-place area? It's phrased a bit strangely so I don't know if it means 'our policy is to do X' or if it means 'we actually did X'. > Amazon said all employees were normally notified and directed to move to a designated, marked shelter-in-place location when a site was made aware of a tornado warning in the area. I have had to shelter in place for tornadoe…

Having worked in an Amazon warehouse (as a contractor, but my wife was a direct Amazon employee in the same warehouse at a time), I can tell you that if they had any severe weather plans, none of the employees were aware of them.

By "employees were notified" they likely mean "the MOD shit his pants and screamed 'RUUUUUUUUN' "

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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post #227

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Tornadoes aren't hurricanes... There aren't hours and days of advanced notice. Only a few minutes. You can't shut down for every thunder storm on the astronomical chance it'll turn into a tornado and head in your direction. The article did somewhat address your questions: "Amazon said all employees were normally notified and directed to move to a designated, marked shelter-in-place location when a site was made aware…

> There aren't hours and days of advanced notice. Only a few minutes. Every major weather and news organization was warning about "a very high likelihood of nocturnal tornadoes in the area" 12+ hours before they happened.

Are you aware though that those kinds of warnings are relatively common in the Midwest? We receive those kinds of advisories at least a few dozen times a year. It would be impractical for everyone to stay home from work every time the conditions are favorable for tornado formation.

Plus, in this part of the country most people operate under the assumption that whatever building they're in at the time of a tornado warning will have an appropriate shelter. I don't know anything about this Amazon building and if they had appropriate shelters and if people had time to get there or what, but my point is more generally in this region of the country, "tornados possible today" is just not something people stay home from work for. And yes, that goes for office workers too. I've had to move to a storm shelter at my office many times due to a tornado warning during the work day.

Furthermore, there's no guarantee that anyone would have been safer at home anyway. An EF3 tornado (what this supposedly was) will absolutely obliterate homes if they are in the direct path.

(edit) Can't reply anymore, but you quoted this: "There aren't hours and days of advanced notice. Only a few minutes." and responded that there was plenty of notice of a possibility of tornados. The sentence after your quote said "You can't shut down for every thunder storm on the astronomical chance it'll turn into a tornado and head in your direction.", so it seemed to me like you were offering a rebuttal to the idea of "you can't shut down...". Sorry if I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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> Building something to specifically withstand 200mph wind A properly engineered reinforced concrete building would easily withstand that.

What's the point, though? Statistically, most people who live deep in Tornado Alley will never even see a tornado in their lifetime. Getting hit by one is like winning the bad luck lottery; trying to build all buildings to be tornado proof would be wildly expensive and difficult to justify. Better to focus on good warning systems and making sure shelters are plentiful.

> will never even see a tornado in their lifetime

Could that be changing as the climate changes?

Like seeing 500-year floods several times in 20 years.

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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post #204

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Those things all sound like they might decrease profits.

6 deaths will reduce profits and something else.

Not by nearly as much as proper severe weather planning nationwide would.

Re: Six dead after tornadoes destroy Amazon warehouse near St Louis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? In a place called tornado alley who could have thought. If only a company like Amazon had some money to spare to figure local risks and plan to protect their people. In fact, its amazing Amazon is seen as so reliable since they couldn't foresee something like a Tornado in Tornado Alley killing their workers and disrupting business. You imagine a company which couldn't factor in that sort of risk goes out of bu…

St. Louis gets tornadoes, but it is not in tornado alley.

It absolutely is. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Tornado_...
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