Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11 • Hacker News Board

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#241

Post by ripdog » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 5:03 AM UTC

garbagecoder wrote: post #222

ripdog wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is stuffed full of anti-patterns. You can't avoid them just by using notepad.

Windows is garbage. I’m not disagreeing with that part, butdesktop Linux is hot garbage too. The audio stack is garbage. X is decades old and Wyland is a meme.

Uh, okay.

We're talking about dark patterns, which are anti-consumer and anti-user design decisions to pursue profit over user experience. Like stuffing candy crush into windows by default or making it incredibly difficult to switch default browser, or berating the user with popups when he tries to download Firefox.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#242

Post by ripdog » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 5:04 AM UTC

ComputerGuru wrote: post #212

ripdog wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is stuffed full of anti-patterns. You can't avoid them just by using notepad.

Yes, but modern Gnome 3 and KDE Plasma have also similarly regressed.

What dark patterns can you find in Plasma today?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#243

Post by rasz » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 5:11 AM UTC

Tempest1981 wrote: post #190

xeeeeeeeeeeenu wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that Microsoft is still pretending that UWP/WinUI isn't a complete mistake. All those issues are inherent to that technology.

Doesn't UWP/WinUI render using DirectX? What makes it so slow?

Prevailing reason for the speed of ms code:

>I believe what you’re doing is describing something that might be considered an entire doctoral research project in performant terminal emulation as “extremely simple” somewhat combatively.

https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#244

Post by Arn_Thor » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

Skunkleton wrote: post #145

okareaman wrote: post #45

The greatest thing about Notepad is that it runs and displays a blinking cursor ready for typing in much less than a second for a new document. On my Windows 11 machine it appears to be around 200 msec. I've tried setting my text file handler to other text editors but nothing else comes close to this speed of utility. I'm very glad they are not messing with that. Overall, I'm very pleased with my Windows 11. Everythi…

>I read somewhere that Microsoft intends it to be mostly for new computers. They are pushing developers to it as well. See new WSL features as an example.

Can you explain how? I'm inexperienced in this field but found wsl to be a great quick way to run Linux software in Windows

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#245

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 5:36 AM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #216

pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

The way to break free of this is to create Notepad2, leaving Notepad as it is.

[deleted]

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#246

Post by TheChaplain » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 6:07 AM UTC

It's interesting how a multibillion company can make a simple editor a little worse, while a single guy with a few contributors can make something so useful (Notepad++).

Of course it's important with backwards compatibility but.. is it worth the cost?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#247

Post by perryizgr8 » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 6:14 AM UTC

Ever since I started using a macbook for work, I have searched far and wide for a notepad.exe replacement and every single app has come up short. Let's hope this revamped version retains the snappiness, simplicity that made the original great, unlike calc.exe's replacement.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#248

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 6:21 AM UTC

kayodelycaon wrote: post #91

okareaman wrote: post #45

The greatest thing about Notepad is that it runs and displays a blinking cursor ready for typing in much less than a second for a new document. On my Windows 11 machine it appears to be around 200 msec. I've tried setting my text file handler to other text editors but nothing else comes close to this speed of utility. I'm very glad they are not messing with that. Overall, I'm very pleased with my Windows 11. Everythi…

TextEdit on macOS is this fast when set to plain text and not reopening previous windows. The entire app is 2.6mb. Launching with rich text as the default is a bit slower. But hey, rich text.

[deleted]

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#249

Post by perryizgr8 » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 6:28 AM UTC

kayodelycaon wrote: post #91

okareaman wrote: post #45

The greatest thing about Notepad is that it runs and displays a blinking cursor ready for typing in much less than a second for a new document. On my Windows 11 machine it appears to be around 200 msec. I've tried setting my text file handler to other text editors but nothing else comes close to this speed of utility. I'm very glad they are not messing with that. Overall, I'm very pleased with my Windows 11. Everythi…

TextEdit on macOS is this fast when set to plain text and not reopening previous windows. The entire app is 2.6mb. Launching with rich text as the default is a bit slower. But hey, rich text.

> TextEdit on macOS is this fast when set to plain text

Not for me.

Opening textedit on macbook 13, with plaintext mode takes noticeable time to animate the window before I can start typing.

Opening notepad.exe on Win11 is instant. The window is on-screen and ready to take input, before my finger has lifted off the enter key.

Not to mention the silly bugs and lack of attention to detail.

Open a new file. Don't type anything, it will prompt you to save the file on close. Why?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#250

Post by valleyer » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 6:29 AM UTC

grishka wrote: post #226

pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

I've always liked Apple's approach more. There are public APIs that are mostly guaranteed to work across system versions. Then there are private ones. You can reverse engineer them. You can use them in your apps. They might even do what you wanted. But you're on your own with them, as Apple rightfully considers itself free to break anything that isn't part of the public SDK. Microsoft, on the other hand, sees that so…

I worked on macOS for many years. Apple's policy is more like Microsoft's than you describe. It was commonplace to have to revert changes that broke a "must-not-break" application that was dependent on undocumented APIs or behavior, and the source of certain projects is littered with app-specific workarounds.