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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by EarlKing »

LinuxBender wrote: post #73
EarlKing wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really don't need Youtube for that. You need infrastructure and you need monetization. The former you can achieve today using any service provider with autoscaling (i.e. AWS, Rackspace, Linode, and a hundred others too numerous to list here). The latter you can achieve through any number of ad exchanges that handle pre-roll ads and banners. Youtube is handy primarily in being a one stop shop for both of those thi…

I agree with all of this. That's why a small number of people and their circles won't be a threat to Youtube at all. Even the handful of popular Youtubers moving to self hosting probably won't get their attention for some time. And yeah, most non technical people won't be going down this path any time soon. That said if each small circle of people had a couple geeky friends and pool together some money they can do it…

Honestly, it's better if YouTube doesn't recognize the threat. Let them crash and burn with no survivors. And yeah, there's a lot of people who talk a big game about not wanting monetization (where monetization = ads) and tout peercasting as a universal solution to the problem, not realizing just how much bandwidth video consumes. There are peercasting solutions for video out there (like Bitchute), but they're by no means a replacement for Youtube. In any case, probably the best development in the last fifteen years has been the emergence of people willing to pay directly for content. Whether it's something like paying for a network like Hulu, or patronage on Patreon or Twitch, it's proved that you don't have to sell your soul to advertisers to make money. The next few years are going to be very interesting for sure.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by cbozeman »

ollien wrote: post #116
TT-392 wrote: post #74

The youtube automatically deleting comments thing is strange, it happens to me quite often for no clear reason. I once left a commend on a veritasium vid where I got something wrong. Replies kept coming about what I got wrong. But anytime I edited the comment, or leaving a reply myself. The exact thing happened to my edits or replies as happened in the video. It is not like I can't leave comments anywhere like the gu…

Google does this as a whole, IME. A body shop did a really shoddy repair and when I went to check my review later, it was gone. I don't understand why; it shows when I'm logged into the original Google account, but not otherwise.

I guess that body shop bought the correct amount of Google AdWords.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by tomrod »

1_player wrote: post #18
BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

Yes, that's a common attitude that is corrected with antitrust legislation.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by krapp »

paulpauper wrote: post #239
krapp wrote: post #206

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>the same cannot be said for Facebook or YouTube There are literally hundreds of social media platforms and video hosting sites on the web. Many Youtubers are even advertising their content on alternative platforms.

but YouTube is 1000x more popular than the others and much nicer interface and useability. They are not interchangeable in the same way food choices are interchangeable.

Nothing is stopping those other platforms from becoming more popular over time, or from improving their interface or usability.

Being popular is not the same as having a monopoly. Youtube doesn't control infrastructure, they can't prevent users from watching other sites or hosting videos elsewhere. They're not granted special privilege by a government. We've just convinced ourselves for the sake of political narrative that these platforms have far greater power than they actually do.

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Post by sqrt17 »

SllX wrote: post #158
sqrt17 wrote: post #130

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Some of the more well-known YouTube creators are also on - Curiosity Stream/Nebula (Adam Neely, Mary Spender, Ali Abdaal, Thomas Frank, Super Bunnyhop) - LBRY/odysee (DistroTube) - FloatPlane (Linus Tech Tips) None of these has a nice recommender like YouTube, so you'll likely either have manual curation (Nebula, Floatplane) or drown in a sea of bad/uninteresting content (LBRY)

Your list also doesn’t have a single YouTuber I actually watch. Well known or not, viewers have very fractured tastes.

Probably i don't watch any of the YouTubers you're watching either - the long tail is exactly why people watch YouTube (and maybe a handful of 10k-1M subscriber channels) rather than, or in addition to, TV programme and streamable shows that are modeled after it that are less niche.

The main point of that list was: there are multiple platforms that try to be a "YouTube for people who don't like YouTube, for a point in time when YouTube gets horrible", with some people creating content there, and e.g. odysee lets creators sync their videos so you get exactly the same videos from them on YT and on Odysee. But for most creators this is still additional work for little benefit since their main audience is on YT.

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Post by r00fus »

Strom wrote: post #192
skissane wrote: post #140

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> HN comments can still be downvoted (if you have enough karma) so arguably you can still get signal quality from the sum of votes. Downvotes on HN comments aren't a pure quality signal. HN's culture is that downvoting something just because you disagree with it is perfectly cromulent behaviour, as established by PG himself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 Hones…

It might be cromulent to some, but in my experience it is not widespread. Definitely done at a much lower rate than other places like reddit. Main indicator of this is that on HN it's not uncommon to see an upvoted comment that has almost exclusively argumentative replies. However on reddit when I see a comment with so many disagreeing responses, it's well into the negative. Also, at a sample point of one, I make an…

Venue, setting and audience definitely matters. On HN I get downvoted for being too inflammatory and I learn & adjust my posting. Other sites (subreddits or political commentary sites) I might get upvoted for the same.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by [deleted] »

1_player wrote: post #18
BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by judge2020 »

kristofferR wrote: post #157
judge2020 wrote: post #19

Sounds like his account has been put into some sort of shadowban mode, which is needed for the {human|bot} spammers out there (not that I know why it would be applied to them).

Shadowbanning is pretty useless for spammers, the pain they receive by getting one of their hundred bot accounts made invisible is nothing compared to the pain the real person gets. Shaddowbanning should be like the justice system, it is better to let a a hundred guilty go unpunished than to convict one innocent person.

The justice system would work if the 'hundred guilty' were actual humans - instead one human gets to be tens of thousands of bots at once since creating bots has an astronomically low cost compared to creating / hiring 100 humans.

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Post by FjgdymdjttdjG »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #138
Apocryphon wrote: post #127

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Same thing as Facebook/Instagram Reels, another attempt to blatantly clone a rival platform.

Like TikTok cloning Vine? :)

Monkey see, monkey do, as the saying goes.
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