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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by ynx »

ajkjk wrote: post #213
jensensbutton wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, I think if you're interested in VR/AR, wearables, computer vision, building products for the "creator" generation, or even crypto (Novi) then FB/Meta probably has the best work pitch of all the FAANGs.

If you wanted to work on those things I'd think the last thing you'd want is for your work to be owned by them when you're done, though.

Not the last thing, or at least not the worst company to choose if that's important -

Oculus research has a better track record of publishing AR/VR research and opening up old hardware (unlocked Oculus Go) than anyone else doing serious AR/VR work.

Apple, on the other hand...

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by bottle_roket »

goldenManatee wrote: post #235
bottle_roket wrote: post #229

I’m a FB employee and I’m giving my notice tomorrow. I interviewed with them in 2019 just so I could get a competing offer and had no intention of working there, but at the end of my interviewing run they were the only offer I had. It was 2x my current salary and it was too hard to turn it down when the money was right there in front of me. I had sincere moral issues with the company but I convinced myself their wors…

Cash in, cash out. Resume is a trail though.

This experience has definitely given me more compassion to people who have made mistakes.

I just hope my future interviewers ask themself: “if my morally questionable actions were written down would anyone want to work with me either?”

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by makecheck »

I recently turned down a FB recruiter on the spot without even finding out more about the job in question, telling them I just don’t like FB as a company.

I’m lucky to have been around long enough, to be able to pick companies for my own reasons. Society isn’t set up to give most people that kind of choice; FB will therefore never really have any trouble finding people, I’m afraid.

I would love to think that they take notes when receiving negative feedback from recruitment, using it as a clue to work on fixing a broken image problem. In reality, I think they just move on to the next person who will happily put up with them.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by troutmskreplica »

Interviewed there a few years back. This was right after one of the many Facebook crises became public (sorry, forget which). I wasn’t super interested in the role or working there but was interested in seeing what an offer might look like.

One of the interviewers was clearly going through a crises of conscience and told me he was thinking of leaving. All of the interviewers made it clear they didn’t personally use the product. Definitely the strangest interview of my life.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by Infinitesimus »

squiffsquiff wrote: post #164
fallingknife wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, I would personally find some sanctimonious interviewer asking me to defend my previous employment history from a perceived position of moral superiority a great screening tool for companies I would never want to work for.

So I'm an engineer at my org. I'd never want to work for Facebook. If I'm interviewing you then yes I will ask you why you chose to work there when by definition you had other options.

Do you expect to have to justify your employment history for the rest of your life? Can you imagine some reasons why someone would work for FB that have no value judgment besides being different from your view of the world?

There seem to be a few assumptions you're making in the post above about someone you've never met and only know based on their current/former employer.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by smnscu »

bottle_roket wrote: post #229

I’m a FB employee and I’m giving my notice tomorrow. I interviewed with them in 2019 just so I could get a competing offer and had no intention of working there, but at the end of my interviewing run they were the only offer I had. It was 2x my current salary and it was too hard to turn it down when the money was right there in front of me. I had sincere moral issues with the company but I convinced myself their wors…

I've been doing Karat interviews for about three years and it's been incredible for my mental health. The work is extremely flexible and there is nothing to worry about when you're not working (I dread deadlines and I'm neurotic enough to never manage a good WLB at a regular SWE gig). The compensation is also pretty good. Apply on their website if interested (https://karat.com/) or hit me up at my username at google's mail service if you want a referral (though you shouldn't need one to get in the door, we're hiring pretty aggressively). Hope this helps.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by throoo0ooowaway »

I recently went through the interview processes for FB and another (non-FAANG) company mentioned elsewhere in this thread, and it was stunning how different the processes were.

The recruiter for FB was incapable of conveying the simplest information in a period of time less than 30 minutes and constantly seemed to misremember what information they had already given me; they were constantly setting (and missing) deadlines to follow up with me with more information.

Finally, after the on-site interview, they said FB would be making an offer, and then began this very strange dance (across the span of two full weeks) of trying to negotiate me down on % remote time and salary _without ever making me an actual offer_ or giving me any information about what the position I was interviewing for entailed.

Meanwhile, the other company went from on-site interviews to an offer with firm numbers in two days. In the end, FB's recruiting process was so odious that I couldn't bring myself to wait long enough to even hear their offer to negotiate with (which, frankly, was the only reason I signed up to interview with FB). So much for "move fast".

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by crate_barre »

troutmskreplica wrote: post #244

Interviewed there a few years back. This was right after one of the many Facebook crises became public (sorry, forget which). I wasn’t super interested in the role or working there but was interested in seeing what an offer might look like. One of the interviewers was clearly going through a crises of conscience and told me he was thinking of leaving. All of the interviewers made it clear they didn’t personally use t…

That’s just the reality of money. What self respecting talented engineer seriously uses any of this stuff? Now imagine everyone across enterprise, it’s even more of a shit show (literal evil industries).

The duality creates a conundrum amongst a generation that often don’t settle down with a family until very later (if at all). If work is just for money, and you have nothing else in life, well shit, your ass is gonna be depressed.

Maybe Zuckerberg gets it, maybe we do need the metaverse to fill this insane void.

As for me, I literally look forward to chaos in the news at this point. Imagine that, how’d it come to this.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by edgyquant »

Jap2-0 wrote: post #201
thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

> considering they only work 9/12 months I think many teachers (almost all that I know, and all of the good ones) would disagree with you on that. Lesson planning, training/continuing education, scheduling, etc. > many of them find side jobs ..why? That is to say, I'm sure most people on here could get a side job if they wanted to. Is there a reason why teachers get side jobs and, say, programmers don't? (Yes, that's…

Probably not the side jobs most here have in mind but after almost 2 years of remote I’ve been seriously contemplating getting a night job at a bar or restaurant just to meet folks and the little bit of money (relative to my salary and equity) would just be a bonus.
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