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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by ComputerGuru »

starik36 wrote: post #237
ComputerGuru wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is splitting hairs; this is the very crux of the matter. They worked as accountants for a different organization altogether .

Given that the accountants gave testimony - it would stand to reason they had knowledge of it.

I know you're arguing from a very partial perspective, but if you'd read the 972mag article it's insanely clear that the accounts' testimony would be thrown out as hearsay in any real court of law. They weren't involved in the supposed activity the other organizations are accused of doing based on their testimony, they didn't see it happen, they just "know" that it happened.

But I feel like there is no use continuing to argue this with you, so peace out.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by pyronik19 »

AHappyCamper wrote: post #96

Does this really matter? Australia passed the "Identify and Disrupt" Law, which allows them as well as any government in the The Five Eyes (FVEY) international security pact to access and modify all digital communications - so why would this story even be important? This is our new world, where any government can access and modify any digital information.

1984 looking more and more like an instruction manual everyday.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by boomboomsubban »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #221
boomboomsubban wrote: post #195

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How? There's no restriction on buying from the NSO Group, I'm unaware of there being any restriction on using US banks. The Entity List just bars exports of certain items to that company. What US good are they dependent on?

> I'm unaware of there being any restriction on using US banks Most institutions won’t open an account for someone with an OFAC hit. They legally can. But it involves a lot of extra legal, compliance and other costs. As a result, most don’t.

The Entity List isn't an OFAC hit, it's done by the Bureau of Industry and Security and is much less severe. It only bars certain exports, and the financial industry isn't exporting anything.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by yonixw »

helge9210 wrote: post #197
yonixw wrote: post #117

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> Israel, a country that terrorizes Palestinians on the daily accuses They don't. Sending a Police Riot control unit against a group of people throwing stones and molotovs does not qualify as being terrorized. > accuses everyone that fights it as terrorists. If they hurt bystanding civilians (and they do) or funnel money for it (and they do) there is nothing wrong with that. > Maybe some are They are, Hamas, Hezbolla…

> They don't. Sending a Police Riot control unit against a group of people throwing stones and molotovs does not qualify as being terrorized. But sending an army unit with an order "break the village" which results in shock grenades being dropped into a cradle with the baby inside does qualify them as being terrorized. Note: I'm Israeli and was working with people who got those orders and carried them out during thei…

1) You are making an hypothetical based on orders. Which amount to nothing.

2) Searching google for "shock grenades on a girl israel" will show you first a Jewish Ultra-Orthodox girl getting hit around a corona protest last year:

https://twitter.com/almogbenzikri/status/1251004227956150273

So this is a police brutality issue, not a Palestine issue.

3) Based on your previous comments- "Hamas is an ally of Israel in Gaza" I'm thinking you are just out of the loop.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by kodah »

whimsicalism wrote: post #163
yonixw wrote: post #85

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Looking around, you can quickly find, that `Shawan Jabarin` the general director of Al-Haq (which was banned) was convicted in 1985 of recruiting and arranging training for members for PFLP and was called “Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde,” by the Israeli Supreme Court in 2007 for being a human rights campaigner by day and a terrorist by night. Also, HRW statement should be taken with a grain of salt, since they have conflict o…

He was part of a student group that was associated with the PFLP, which is labeled a terrorist group and has done violent acts, and was convicted on that basis. You know who else this sort of indict applies to? Nelson Mandela and his involvement with the ANC. Nevermind that I don't trust the Israeli legal system that existed in the 80s to give a fair shake to a Palestinian student activist.

I don't have any skin in the game here, just an observers perspective.

Just looking through these comments I understand nothing of the narratives at play for either side. Most of them don't line up with history I can find at Wikipedia, or they'll partially match but then deviate significantly in some fanciful explanation.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by ashtonkem »

LegitShady wrote: post #208
ashtonkem wrote: post #185

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Tough. The logical consequence of “we can’t show you the proof” is “okay, I don’t believe that you have any”. After all, you would not believe my assertions about fantastical achievements without evidence, and the consequences of that hypothetical are much lower than the state saying it should be able to kill people in the name of “counter terrorism”. More succinctly; “it would compromise means and methods” is a phen…

flipside of tough - you're demanding a foreign nation compromise its security so that you can feel better. You and your demands are nobody and nothing to a foreign state. So no. tough.

No, I’m demanding they support their allegations before killing people. Giving the state unfettered access to kill and jail god knows who based on unsupported allegations of terrorism is very dangerous territory, and any right thinking person should be wary of handing out that kind of power.

Saying this is about making me “feel better” is pushing the limits of good faith discussion, don’t do that.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by ashtonkem »

starik36 wrote: post #212
ashtonkem wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tough. The logical consequence of “we can’t show you the proof” is “okay, I don’t believe that you have any”. After all, you would not believe my assertions about fantastical achievements without evidence, and the consequences of that hypothetical are much lower than the state saying it should be able to kill people in the name of “counter terrorism”. More succinctly; “it would compromise means and methods” is a phen…

All the evidence of Russian collusion and hacking is almost always presented without any evidence whatsoever. Yet no one in the mainstream media thinks to question it.

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by starik36 »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #241
starik36 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that the accountants gave testimony - it would stand to reason they had knowledge of it.

I know you're arguing from a very partial perspective, but if you'd read the 972mag article it's insanely clear that the accounts' testimony would be thrown out as hearsay in any real court of law. They weren't involved in the supposed activity the other organizations are accused of doing based on their testimony, they didn't see it happen, they just "know" that it happened. But I feel like there is no use continuing…

> no use continuing to argue

To misquote Capt Picard responding to two parties complaining that they they'll never find common ground: "On the contrary. We've agreed that there is no use continuing to argue".

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by FridayoLeary »

VictorPath wrote: post #65
Vervious wrote: post #13

To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).

Al-Haq is a Palestinian human rights NGO funded by the European Union. Two weeks ago, Israel labeled six Palestinian NGOs, including al-Haq, terrorist organizations and has outlawed them. This was condemned by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others. The EU also funded the other Palestinian human rights NGOs which Israel outlawed. The US had an office in Jerusalem dealing with Palestinians that Trump clo…

>This is following Israel's throwing Palestinians out of their homes in East Jerusalem back in May and replacing them with settlers

that is a complete distortion of the facts. This was a perfectly legal eviction which made it's way through the court system over a number of years. The pa put a nationalist spin on it in order to distract from their failing election campaign and unfortunately, everyone fell for it. But it was never anything more than a rental dispute.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by LegitShady »

ashtonkem wrote: post #247
starik36 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the evidence of Russian collusion and hacking is almost always presented without any evidence whatsoever. Yet no one in the mainstream media thinks to question it.

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It's not what aboutism, it's the introduction of reality to your 'logic'. You are asking why you don't have access to the evidence into an investigation into a designated terrorist group, and being told 'tough', and now demanding standards of evidence in other countries meet your needs.

Again, no country in the world cares about your wish to have access to terror investigation evidence. None. Zero.

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