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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by LinXitoW »

shocks wrote: post #107
melff wrote: post #97

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yeah, I use my laptop as a mobile "console" with ps4 controllers. It's sometimes a PITA to find good games that with controller support and splitscreen, but they do exist

> It's sometimes a PITA to find good games that with controller support and splitscreen You’ve just demonstrated one of the reasons people get consoles.

How many games on console support splitscreen though?

And you can always run this the other way around: All modern games that run on console and PC support controllers on PC. It's games that are very old that sometimes need a manual intervention. BUT consoles can't even play those games at all, so they basically have no controller support too, just with zero recourse.

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Post by formerly_proven »

SirHound wrote: post #174
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…

Another pretty big advantage of a console platform which isn't jailbroken (yet?) is far less cheating. Sure, you still got all your in-game exploits (some games don't have many, other games are riddled with game-breaking exploits), but you have to invest in a hardware cheat to get an aimbot or whatever on a console (one might argue that, depending on the game, you already get an aimbot out of the box anyway). Cheating in online PC games has become such a large problem that I'm wondering how much more the market will take.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by [deleted] »

znpy wrote: post #189
lilyball wrote: post #67

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If it was cracked after Linux was removed, then what was the reason for removing Linux? My recollection was that it was a security vulnerability.

Some people started buying ps3 to build compute clusters. This was because the ps3 had a very strong processor made by ibm, using rhe powerpc isa. This meant that ibm started losing sales of their powerpc systems. So the story i know is that ibm "asked" sony to stop allowing linux on the ps3.

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Post by glenneroo »

ratww wrote: post #138
perth wrote: post #102

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Not sure how true this is, but I've heard that Sony's PlayStation division is taking a hard hit from scalping, since they sell the consoles at a loss and scalpers don't buy games. So I wonder if this trend of selling consoles at a loss will continue in future generations.

This doesn't make sense. Unless the scalpers are hoarding consoles or using them for a purpose other than games (space heater? overpriced Netflix machine?), the consoles will get in the hands of a game buyer.

I've been trying to pick up a PS5 for a friend since they came out and it's been futile. I keep a watch on our local eBay and noticed there's one person who sometimes buys out all the available stock from the big electronics store, then puts them up for the MSRP. In the description they write something to the effect of "I am not making any money off of these - I just want to help people get a console for the price they normally sell for before all the scalpers buy them and mark the price up". I have no idea how they plan to prevent scalpers from buying those and charging 20% more... and also I wonder how the warranty will work since they obviously can't give you the original receipt.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by LinXitoW »

user-the-name wrote: post #95
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

1. Game availability - lots of good games are not available on PC and will never be. 2. Hardware convenience - just a box you put next to your TV that works from the second you take it out of the packaging. 3. Software convenience - no need to deal with a million compatibility issues, buggy drivers, and all the problems that come with Windows and gaming hardware.

About number 1, most popular games by player numbers are PC exclusives, or not? LoL, Dota, CSGO(?), WoW, many MMOs, every older game that still runs on modern PCs, but not on new consoles.

2 I agree with. I'm hoping Steam Deck might make a big difference.

3 It's also gotten better in general, AND consoles seem to have more bugs than they used to, because things can just be patched now. Think Cyberpunk! Consoles are still better, I just think the difference is way smaller now.

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Post by maccard »

zeusk wrote: post #235
maccard wrote: post #199

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> Both services support adding non platform games through their shortcut/executable. That only launches the game through the correct store. If the game doesn't implement cross play, you can't play together. > They also support voice chat for groups and players not in game. But you're trying to be in game with the person, and again if the game doesn't do in-game voice chat, you have to find alternatives. On a console…

PC games don’t need “cross play” FYI, you create a server and it is visible for anyone who purchased the game regardless of platform. I haven’t used in game voice for more than a decade now. discord, teamspeak, steam chat, Xbox live all work well and are used by quite a lot of people. Can’t comment on that single issue, but it does look like there was barely any information provided to repro the issue.

> PC games don’t need “cross play” FYI, you create a server and it is visible for anyone who purchased the game regardless of platform.

That is very much game specific. As an example, Deep Rock Galactic doesn't support playing between Steam and the MS store [0]

> I haven’t used in game voice for more than a decade now. discord, teamspeak, steam chat, Xbox live all work well and are used by quite a lot of people.

All of those options require you to coordinate your play outside of the game and the platform. If you are playing Sea of Thieves on Steam with friends using steam voice chat, and one person joins via the MS store, you need to figure out out how to get them into the correct place. If you're all on xbox, they just join your party.

> Can’t comment on that single issue, but it does look like there was barely any information provided to repro the issue.

So it's not just file a bug report, it's file a bug report and provide follow up information. As a programmer, that's fine, but what if my kids want to play minecraft with their friends?

[0] https://www.deeprockgalactic.com/crossplay-info

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Post by AltruisticGapHN »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #223
AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #142

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Consoles are on their last run in my opinion. Valve has improved the Steam experience for Steamdeck, along with the Proton compatibility layer. Then they added "Great on Steamdeck" that will encourage devs to aim for better controller support. Now there are rumours Valve is working on a new "console". Imho once there is a "console" that is basically Steamdeck with builtin Steam store and a powerful GPU... in otherwor…

You're not following the trends closely enough. Nintendo combined their portable and console markets with the Switch and this console format is a huge hit with kids, parents, and adult gamers even. I suspect if MS takes another generational shellacking from Sony they will try a similar maneuver, combining the Xbox and Surface brands to make a single SKU gaming PC. The Xbox already runs Windows 10 with a custom ui. Th…

> Windows 10 with a custom ui. They won't drop out off the console race without trying this.

If Valve effectively releases a Valve "console" (a fully fledged desktop PC with the Steam Deck experience + powerful GPU)... who are we kidding? Who will buy a walled garden after that? Seems to me like Microsoft will at best be just competing...

If you follow the discussions on reddit about Steamdeck people are SUPER excited, and some gamers are alreadsy asking questions about linux and whether their next PC could be linux ; since Valve's endoresement of Proton on the Steam deck and the "Steam Deck verified" experience is making them confident that Linux will replace Windows.

Tons of gamers nowadays really only need a PC for gaming and general entertainment... meaning Windows is completely optional.

NihongoGamer has really good commentary on related topic:

About the "Steam Deck verified"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL0NIhJpHg0

I don't know , I'm 47 and honestly Steam Deck + their rumored console that comes after it; is the most exciting news I've heard in gaming for a LONG time...

I'm a casual as you might expect at 47... I still want to play A game like NMS occasionally, but I don't want to spend all day updating Windows and tweaking GPU drivers and all the bullshit that is "pc building" today.

Last AAA game I bought was Assassin Creed Oddyssey. I paid 50 EUR during a Steam sale. Still pricey but it was pretty new. ... I played the game for few hours and realized I didn't like it all that much. This is the reason why I never bought into PS and Nintendo for the past fifteen years.. pretty much since the Dreamcast: is is hugely expensive. if you pay 70 EUR for a game you have to be really committed not just to like it, but to get your money's worth. I can"t afford to buy a 70 EUR game when I get bored of most games after a few hours.

Having a console like experience with the Steam store is hugely exciting for me... so many silly / smaller games, that you pay pennies and still can have fun for a few hours.. it opens up a whole new genre of games that consoles aren't well suited for, or that are just not easy to consume on the console. I mean, just browsing steam is fun in and of itself.

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Post by elzbardico »

mercer wrote: post #27
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #7

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I live in a third world country. What's funny is we have a lot of PlayStations and powerful video cards and top-level processors available. We just don't have any money to buy them. Maybe I should set up a mail-order business to serve Western hardware enthusiasts.

While I can't judge how good your plan is, FWIW I've often regretted saying 'maybe' when later I realized it would've worked, or at least been worth trying. But then it was no longer a good idea...

Third world countries usually have very heavy import and sales taxes as the corrupt elites prefer to tax consumption than income, wealth or inheritance. In Brazil, for example, all tech costs for the consumer in dollars at least twice what it costs for the American consumer due to 60% import tax plus some variable 18 to 30% sales tax (similar but not the same as a VAT). Factor in freight and the fact those items are in practice luxury goods with the importer expecting high margins and the scenario is complete for absurd price increases

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Post by ndiddy »

ratww wrote: post #138
perth wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how true this is, but I've heard that Sony's PlayStation division is taking a hard hit from scalping, since they sell the consoles at a loss and scalpers don't buy games. So I wonder if this trend of selling consoles at a loss will continue in future generations.

This doesn't make sense. Unless the scalpers are hoarding consoles or using them for a purpose other than games (space heater? overpriced Netflix machine?), the consoles will get in the hands of a game buyer.

Someone who pays $800 will probably buy fewer games with the console than someone who pays MSRP, so it would take longer to make back their loss.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by hnarn »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Any technological question has a car analogy, in this case a PS5 is kind of like a mid range sports car while a PC is… well, a custom car, so pretty much anything.

So why buy a mid range sports car if you can buy an SUV for the same price that you can also go grocery shopping with, or a pickup that you can also haul stuff with?

In the end it always comes down to the use case of the thing, and the people buying consoles are not just interested in playing games, they’re also not interested in the stuff a PC offers.

As soon as you introduce choices, you introduce complexity. People buy consoles because they want to play games with the least amount of complexity involved, and they’re willing to sacrifice those choices because often they don’t even want them in the first place.

Also, consoles often have some games that only come out for that console, so if you’re really interested in a game, sometimes buying the console is your only choice.

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