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Post by smt88 »

pixelgeek wrote: post #168
smt88 wrote: post #89

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> I guess you need to be a bad person from the get-go to be able to keep a smiling face in that place. I have a close friend who works there. He's a moral person and disagrees with the social changes that Facebook has caused. But if you ask him why he works there, he has a few standard responses: - Most of the employees at Facebook are good and push back against Zuckerberg's harmful decisions. - If all the good peopl…

> The core problem is that any large organization is guaranteed to be psychopathic. Well any large organization is, to a certain point, very successful and you can't get to that position with morals. Doing the ethical thing is very often not the thing you need to do to succeed or profit.

It's hard to disagree in general, but there are varying degrees of evil.

REI has 2x revenue and 6x employees compared to Palantir, but it would be impossible to argue that REI is more evil.

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Post by aceazzameen »

jamesandthewolf wrote: post #236
aceazzameen wrote: post #229

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Concerning social networks, it's even more than just talking about yourself. It's about creators' wants of acknowledgement/views and the greed and addiction associated with it. Of course users in a hypothetical social education network would want views from their material too, but it would require the removal of sinking to the lowest common denominator from the equation. As you pointed out, that seems to already exis…

Yes however when you have allowed a "free" platform to be used be adolescents and made it normal part of life then you start exploiting that, the education part becomes unimportant and it's more about the creators then about helping. Just put an 18 plus limit on it maybe ban it from kids as they are the ones who are so easily manipulated they don't know fact from fiction and it makes the rumours worse. If kids are le…

I don't think you can ban anything from kids. They'll always find a way.

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Post by aceazzameen »

jamesandthewolf wrote: post #238
aceazzameen wrote: post #229

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Concerning social networks, it's even more than just talking about yourself. It's about creators' wants of acknowledgement/views and the greed and addiction associated with it. Of course users in a hypothetical social education network would want views from their material too, but it would require the removal of sinking to the lowest common denominator from the equation. As you pointed out, that seems to already exis…

Anyway I saw Facebook when it started out and it was kind of nice to be able to chat to my mates around the world, however for me it was always just a junk thing to be a clown on, little did others or myself know it would impact the very cores of society. Instead of it being monitored and controlled like most other major impacts it was left to just snow ball into a massive situation we have today. Lol FFS to allow th…

Yeah, I understand. Early Facebook was a nice "keep in touch" platform - before likes and sharing. I think the reality is for-profit social networks will always be detrimental to society long term. You can add paywalls, but then you're only working with an exclusive minority. That probably won't work long term.

I wonder if something run by the Wikimedia Foundation or an equivalent could work. Like a MyWiki.

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Post by lovecg »

michaelt wrote: post #204
hellbannedguy wrote: post #148

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I have found when it comes to career, or money, 95% plus shelve their morality. (I'm suprised Paul Graham hasen't wrote one of his infamous essays on the subject. He must have seen a lot in his times.) Be it a Psychiatrist, Chiropractor, Attorney, Priest, entrepreneur, or tech worker, they are all the same with morality. If it affects Their Financial Security, or Financial Future--They Become Sheep. (sorry about the…

> 95% plus shelve their morality. There are plenty of jobs available that don't involve moral compromises (beyond those inherent to existing) if you don't go out trying to create them. If my employer buys wood and converts them into staircases, we make a good quality product at a fair price, our working practices are safe, and our suppliers, workers and customers are all working with us by choice - whence comes the m…

The scale and the fuzzy boundaries between products and services that software allows seem to create those problems in unexpected places. In the pre-software days, if you sell cash registers to people and one of your customers happens to be evil no one would blame you. If you build an online shopping platform (selling virtual cash registers), get big enough that people notice you, and one of your customers is problematic in the eye of the public opinion, you suddenly have a moral problem on your hands.

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Post by lovecg »

blitzar wrote: post #55
aceazzameen wrote: post #32

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You made me think, is it even possible to create a social media network geared towards education (sharing skills and ideas) for the masses? I suppose YouTube is somewhat there. But it's blended with so much crap.

Yet YouTubers constantly make clickbait titles like "Tour of my 10 MILLLION DOLLAR house" or "I gave away $50,000"

Have you met one of “the masses”? That’s simply what they want - not educational math videos.

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Post by ryan-allen »

jamesandthewolf wrote: post #238
aceazzameen wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Concerning social networks, it's even more than just talking about yourself. It's about creators' wants of acknowledgement/views and the greed and addiction associated with it. Of course users in a hypothetical social education network would want views from their material too, but it would require the removal of sinking to the lowest common denominator from the equation. As you pointed out, that seems to already exis…

Anyway I saw Facebook when it started out and it was kind of nice to be able to chat to my mates around the world, however for me it was always just a junk thing to be a clown on, little did others or myself know it would impact the very cores of society. Instead of it being monitored and controlled like most other major impacts it was left to just snow ball into a massive situation we have today. Lol FFS to allow th…

> Lol FFS to allow them to employ people to focus on addiction techniques like what the hell how was that even legal

Gambling industries all over the world have been doing this longer than Facebook, and nobody seemed to bat too much of an eyelid.

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Post by malloreon »

ACS_Solver wrote: post #135
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #44

These headlines naïvely miss the point. The problem isn’t Facebook, a private company, seeking profits. The problem is its deeply-entrenched psychopathy and pathological record of lying [1]. And it really appears to be a Facebook problem. Instagram for Kids wasn’t the fever dream of a deranged Instagrammer. It was pushed by a Facebook implant [2]. I don’t know if being in proximity to Facebook’s leadership corrupts p…

I would even say it's simpler, and the problem is Mark Zuckerberg specifically. He's deeply immoral, and continues to do what Facebook does for power and money. I understand, on some level, the excitement - he's a computer nerd who came to control an organization that is more powerful than the majority of the world's countries. Zuckerberg controls the platform that is the primary means of communication for hundreds o…

45,000 fb employees choose every day to work for him. The responsibility for what fb is is just as much theirs.

If they didn’t agree with fb’s actions they’d leave.

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Post by tim333 »

ACS_Solver wrote: post #135
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #44

These headlines naïvely miss the point. The problem isn’t Facebook, a private company, seeking profits. The problem is its deeply-entrenched psychopathy and pathological record of lying [1]. And it really appears to be a Facebook problem. Instagram for Kids wasn’t the fever dream of a deranged Instagrammer. It was pushed by a Facebook implant [2]. I don’t know if being in proximity to Facebook’s leadership corrupts p…

I would even say it's simpler, and the problem is Mark Zuckerberg specifically. He's deeply immoral, and continues to do what Facebook does for power and money. I understand, on some level, the excitement - he's a computer nerd who came to control an organization that is more powerful than the majority of the world's countries. Zuckerberg controls the platform that is the primary means of communication for hundreds o…

>deeply immoral, and continues to do what Facebook does for power and money

I have to say in interviews he doesn't really come over that way

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Post by dang »

justbored123 wrote: post #142
iforgetti wrote: post #125

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I’m not sure if your language was intentional but this was literally Mark’s attitude from day one. [1] 1. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/technolog...

This article that you are sharing is the dumbest thing I have read today. It literally says: "the company has built a culture where privacy and user data aren't all that important." It's Facebook, the whole point is no privacy and the entire product is user data, what do you mean "aren't that important"??? It's like going to the street naked and complaining that someone took pictures of you.

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