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Re: Vscode.dev

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Post by pjmlp »

coldtea wrote: post #25
ARandumGuy wrote: post #4

This seems really cool, and seems like it took a lot of man hours to put together. However, I'm not sure who this is for. Downloading and installing an application is not a particularly big ask for the type of people who use VSCode. The browser version will always be a compromised experience, given the inherent limitations of browser applications. Even if it works 99% of the time, that 1% would add enough friction to…

> However, I'm not sure who this is for. Downloading and installing an application is not a particularly big ask for the type of people who use VSCode It's like how nerdy types could easily slap together their own Dropbox, with rsync and duct tape (as per the famous comment), but most didn't - plus the world is not just full of types who'd do it. And then MS can start adding all kinds of collaboration tools built in,…

Why bother with all of that when you could just ssh (nee telnet), remote X or VNC sessions to a server?

Apparently current generation never worked in classical UNIX development environments.

Re: Vscode.dev

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Post by pjmlp »

JasonCannon wrote: post #193
Zababa wrote: post #117

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What are those native binaries? I know that VSCode ships with ripgrep, but that's the limit of my knowledge. Those binaries probably could be compiled to WASM to make VSCode fully run in a browser too.

The Language Servers that power all of the intellisense and syntax highlighting and stuff are all native code. As are the compilers and everything that make VSCode more than just a text editor.

And none of them require Electron, because they run out of process.

Re: Vscode.dev

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Post by pjmlp »

Gracana wrote: post #70
peakaboo wrote: post #60

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Your solutions are to problems that a decent developer doesn't accept anyway. Working on locked down machine where you are not allowed to have visual code? Seriously? Working on a chromebook? Why? Sorry to be negative but I feel sometimes you tech guys get excited about solutions to problems that doesn't actually exist in the real world.

Even if everything about remote workspaces were bad for professional developers, they will accept it if that's what companies are offering. Just like they accepted open offices, standup meetings, all-day video calls, agile, etc. And there's a lot to like for an employer: spend less on computers, reduce IT costs by locking down machines, get new employees productive sooner, make developers more interchangeable... It's…

It has happened since UNIX/VMS/.... systems exist.

That is a typical enterprise setup, thin clients with development taking place on a beefy server.

For Windows systems, you get a VM with RDP or Citrix access.

And native cloud development, is exactly the UNIX/VMS/.... model with fancy UI.

Re: Vscode.dev

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Post by pjmlp »

windowsrookie wrote: post #9
ARandumGuy wrote: post #4

This seems really cool, and seems like it took a lot of man hours to put together. However, I'm not sure who this is for. Downloading and installing an application is not a particularly big ask for the type of people who use VSCode. The browser version will always be a compromised experience, given the inherent limitations of browser applications. Even if it works 99% of the time, that 1% would add enough friction to…

Tablets for sure. There are no good coding apps on Tablets. Say you're going on a trip somewhere and don't feel comfortable bringing your $3,000 laptop. Pickup a $150 android tablet + keyboard. Or low income individuals, you could start coding right from your phone without having to buy anything new.

There a couple of nice coding apps in Android and iOS, naturally they are mostly for coding on the train/plane, or tying out ideas at the local coffee shop, but that is good enough for me.

Re: Vscode.dev

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vineyardmike wrote: post #98
johnday wrote: post #21

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> For those who think web-based IDEs are inefficient, I recommend giving VS Code in the browser a try: nowadays it's just as performant as it is on the desktop. This doesn't read to me as the acclaim that you think it is. What I'm hearing is that the desktop application is as slow as a web IDE. No doubt the people at VSCode have put every effort into making the application run well on desktop, but that's not to say t…

> the desktop application is as slow as a web IDE. Have you ever used VSCode on the desktop? I have never experienced any issue with VSCode nor have I ever wished it performed better.

Have you ever compared it against Notepad++ or Sublime Text?

Re: Vscode.dev

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Post by pjmlp »

nbzso wrote: post #172
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #84

It's not only an awesome technical achievement, but it has also so much potential to be useful. And yet, something at the back on my head is screaming: WARNING! I have the intuition that, on the long run, using more and more tools that are not on your own machine will create a dependency on systems big companies control. And something tells me we are going to pay for it in the end. So I'll stay away. Maybe I'm gettin…

This is my personal opinion. I don't imply in any way or form that my point of view is right. You can down-vote, call me names, or ignore what I am sharing. I don't care. Since Apple CSAM attempt, something at the back of my head screamed: Regroup. React. Change. Now. Two months after Apple's "postponing for better implementation": My company runs on Arch/Manjaro (over old MacBooks Pro without T chip, custom PC's, et…

We are back at UNIX/VMS/mainframe timesharing infrastructure.

SaaS direction is the only way people have found out to extract money from open source tooling that devs don't want to pay for, it is either SaaS or hardware, so there you have it.

Re: Vscode.dev

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Post by napo »

lom wrote: post #113

LPT: press . on any github repository when logged in and it will open that repository in vscode.dev with everything set up Similar to github codespaces without a real computer to back it up

"LPT" = Life Pro Tip (just learned that)

Re: Vscode.dev

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Post by afiori »

pjmlp wrote: post #242
JasonCannon wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Language Servers that power all of the intellisense and syntax highlighting and stuff are all native code. As are the compilers and everything that make VSCode more than just a text editor.

And none of them require Electron, because they run out of process.

well, the browser is not going to provide them.

Re: Vscode.dev

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Post by afiori »

IggleSniggle wrote: post #154
peakaboo wrote: post #62

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So you as a developer are not allowed to install a code editor... To edit code... Which is... Your profession... So you need to use a Web browser as a code editor because... Installing a binary to the disk is not allowed? It's crazy!

I think the craziness of it is highly context dependent. If you're expected to be running everything in "the cloud" anyway, then as long as you have execute permissions on the cloud computer you are authorized to ...ok no now wait a minute, you're right. This is crazy no matter how you slice it. M: "Ok, here's your company issued computer. You're not allowed to do anything with it, because security and IP." D: "Ok, b…

Or the steelmanned version

M: "Here is your company laptop for policy reasons it is the same as every other laptop in the company"

D: "But I need to install and compile more stuff..."

M: "We know so we have provided a developer environment tailored to your needs, we understand it might be inconvenient but it might also allow for :generic inspirational stuff:

D: "oh, ok"

Re: Vscode.dev

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Post by IshKebab »

jasonkester wrote: post #238
IshKebab wrote: post #189

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They're almost as tedious as "I want to share an anecdote about me that is tangentially related to the article. I'm not going to comment on the article, but the title reminded me of something that I thought of once, or maybe something that happened to me. I'm pretty smart so I'll share it with my fellow smart people here now. It's about me. Back in 2003 I was running an FTP server from my garage. It was running on on…

Have you noticed that you just described “conversation”? That is what it looks like when people get together and talk to each other. Lots of us are here for that, and it seems like a pretty natural thing to do. The articles do a nice job of suggesting topics to talk about.

It reminds me of conversations I used to have with an autistic guy who didn't really get conversational cues. He would just come out with facts that didn't at all fit the flow of the conversation.

In any case I don't think the point of the articles is just to be a conversation starter.

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