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Apple’s new M1 Pro and M1 Max processors

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Post by mrtksn »

jeswin wrote: post #114
_the_inflator wrote: post #58

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I think that Apple took a subtle, not so subtle stand: power consumption has to do with environmental impact.

Apple almost single-handedly made computing devices non-repairable or upgradable; across their own product line and the industry in general due to their outsized influence.

Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired(6s got the glass replaced, the 7 got full assembly replaced) and battery of the 6s replaced at a shop that is not authorized by Apple. It cost me 110$ in total.

Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon.

What’s that narrative that Apple devices are not upgradable or repairable?

It simply not true. If anything, Apple devices are the easiest to get serviced since there are not many models and pretty much all repair shops can deal with all devices that are still usable. Because of this, even broken Apple devices are sold and bought all the time.

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Post by oneplane »

the_jeremy wrote: post #208
Grustaf wrote: post #176

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This only makes sense if you presume people throw away their laptops when they replace them after "a few years". Given the incredibly high second hand value of macbooks, I think most people sell them or hand them down.

My F500 company has a 5 year tech refresh policy, and old laptops are trashed, not donated or resold.

Doesn't that mean that the problem is the policy of the F500 company and not whatever the supplier had in mind?

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

Grustaf wrote: post #176
lisper wrote: post #105

"Apple’s Commitment to the Environment" > Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to have net-zero climate impact across the entire business, which includes manufacturing supply chains and all product life cycles. This also means that every chip Apple creates, from design to manufacturing, will be 100 percent carbon neutral. But what they won't do is put the chip in an expan…

This only makes sense if you presume people throw away their laptops when they replace them after "a few years". Given the incredibly high second hand value of macbooks, I think most people sell them or hand them down.

You're talking about selling working devices but parent was also talking about repairing them.

Seems like a huge waste to throw away a $2000+ machine when it's out of warranty because some $5 part on it dies and Apple not only doesn't provide a spare but actively fights anyone trying to repare them, while the options they realistically will give you out of warranty being having your motherboard replaced for some insane sum like $1299 or having you buy a new laptop.

Or what if you're a klutz and spill your grape juice glass over your keyboard? Congrats, now you're -$2000 lighter since there's no way to take it apart and clean the sticky mess inside.

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Post by bee_rider »

WithinReason wrote: post #100
epistasis wrote: post #81

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They could have been optimizing for lower power consumption rather than more compute power. For example, the next iPhone chip will likely not be the most powerful when it comes to compute, even if it beats the other iPhone chips.

And that's exactly why I put the word "almost" in the sentence!

Maybe currently, but they are only on their second generation of laptop chips.

I guess going forward the current A-series chip will be lower power/performance than any reasonably recent M-series chip (given the power envelope difference).

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Post by castis »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #189
schleck8 wrote: post #170

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Apple, the company that requires the entire panel to be replaced by design when a 6 dollar display cable malfunctions, is proud to announce its latest marketing slogan for a better environment.

Obsession with emissions has really made people start to miss the forest from the trees.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?

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Post by dymk »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #223
BitAstronaut wrote: post #75

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Honest question, what do you do where a $6,099 laptop is justifiable?

Not your father's currency. If you think of them as pesos, the price is easier to comprehend. Not to mention if it makes a 200k salary worker 5% more productive, its a win. (Give or take for taxes.)

It's a win for a worker who's compensated based on their work output, which is pretty much the opposite of what a salaried worker is.

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Post by defaultname »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #61

For me, think about that memory bandwidth. No other CPU comes even close. A Ryzen 5950X can only transfer about 43GB/s. This thing promises 400GB/s on the highest-end model.

As always, though, the integrated graphics thing is a mixed blessing. 0-copy and shared memory and all of that, but now the GPU cores are fighting for the same memory. If you are really using the many displays that they featured, just servicing and reading the framebuffers must be...notable.

A high end graphics card from nvidia these days has 1000GB/s all to itself, not in competition with the CPUs. If these GPUs are really as high of performance as claimed, there may be situations where one subsystem or the other is starved.

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Post by speedgoose »

eli wrote: post #96
BitAstronaut wrote: post #75

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Honest question, what do you do where a $6,099 laptop is justifiable?

A few thousand dollars per year (presumably it will last more than one year) is really not much for the most important piece of equipment a knowledge worker will be using.

It's still a waste if you don't need it though. This money could be spent on much more useful things.

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Post by maxekman »

WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #14

I'm so ridiculously happy with my first generation M1 I have zero desire to upgrade. Kind of wild to consider given how long it has taken to get here with the graveyard of Apple laptops in my closet.

I was thinking the exact same thing! The fanless M1 Air is a dev monster in a mouse package. Couldn’t be happier with that combo.
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