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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

ppod wrote: post #131
fleddr wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting how Facebook experiences differ. To me it's a peaceful place showing mundane updates from friends and family, with zero politics. Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. The actual war zone to me is Twitter, not Facebook. I should add that I'm not from the US.

>Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. This is the most underrated aspect. With the caveat that you can't choose your family and schoolfriends, you get the facebook you deserve. And you know, maybe you should try a bit harder to understand your family and schoolfriends?

Maybe you should also try harder to understand the corporate and political system in which your family and friends live.

Facebook seems to make that harder rather than easier.

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Post by wellthisishn »

GrifMD wrote: post #36

I'm seeing an unusual amount of reddit style small comments on this outage, which I find strange. They're short and in the vein of "Facebook is down: good" or "Facebook is back up: damn nothing good lasts forever" I understand the distain for Facebook as a business, but still this is pretty low effort.

How much do they need to elaborate?

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Post by jcims »

elromulous wrote: post #54
tracyhenry wrote: post #31

And HackerNews seems to be much faster as soon as FB is back up. Not sure if this is just me.

True for me as well. What would explain this? Does hn use some tracking from FB? Not trying to throw shade, but this is a surprising correlation.

I did a little testing while Facebook was down. I copied an HN frontpage request from the network traffic tab in chrome’s developer console. Using the ‘copy as curl’ option, you get a fully formatted curl request in your clipboard that makes all of the headers and protocols of the original browser request.

I then executed that request in the terminal. This request was met with the same ~5 second delay I was seeing with my browser. Front and center was my authentication cookie in the header, so I removed that from the command and the request was normal in response time (extremely fast in HN’s case). I put the cookie back, it was slow, I took the cookie out it was fast. I did this 4-5 times until i was satisfied that was it.

The delay could have been due to upstream dependencies on DNS, extra load on the authenticated request pipelines, some Facebook subterfuge in the bowels of HN or just an extremely unusual syncopation in the patterns of the universe.

But clearly the authenticated requests were slow and the unauthenticated ones were not.

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Post by wellthisishn »

literallyaduck wrote: post #114
GrifMD wrote: post #36

I'm seeing an unusual amount of reddit style small comments on this outage, which I find strange. They're short and in the vein of "Facebook is down: good" or "Facebook is back up: damn nothing good lasts forever" I understand the distain for Facebook as a business, but still this is pretty low effort.

The public is tired of being gaslighted and lied to by large corporations. The whistle-blower only brought to light what we have known previously, Facebook is a net loss for humanity. Letting people contect with family and long lost friends is good. Purposefully pitting people against each other, human experimentation https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook... , creating hateful echo chambers, cl…

> Letting people contect with family and long lost friends is good.

Maybe it's overall good, maybe it's over the top and not super. Even if it is good, the existence of Facebook presents a block for better and healthier ways developing for them to connect.

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Post by dschiavu »

It's time to decentralize and open up the Internet again, as it once was (ie. IRC, NNTP and other open protocols) instead of relying on commercial entities (Google, Facebook, Reddit, Amazon) to control our data and access to it.

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

jimsimmons wrote: post #143
jamiequint wrote: post #110

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Did you get confused and think "There is so much hate, arguments, misinformation, angy, and harmful messaging on FB platforms." was data?

If you keep up with current affairs the past few weeks have shown that FB’s alleged problems are supported by data which is disregarded by it’s leadership

For example:

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.0271...

https://bmcresnotes.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s1310...

https://hbr.org/2017/04/a-new-more-rigorous-study-confirms-t...

Facebook's own research: https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/29/22701445/facebook-instagr...

It's nice - and of course timely - that there are some heartwarming feel good stories in this thread.

But the plural of anecdote is not science. And the science is pretty damning.

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Post by InsomniacL »

jeffbee wrote: post #33

So, experts, someone explain why it would take half a day to advertise your routes. What did they need to do?

These systems are highly automated.

Someone didn’t send an update with an empty table, hundreds of BGP updates were issued to remove blocks of addresses.

So either it was sabotage or they had to fix the underlying issue which caused the system to remove the addresses in the first place.

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Post by tayo42 »

thepasswordis wrote: post #167
fleddr wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting how Facebook experiences differ. To me it's a peaceful place showing mundane updates from friends and family, with zero politics. Plus, a bunch of niche hobby groups I subscribed, full of very kind and constructive people. The actual war zone to me is Twitter, not Facebook. I should add that I'm not from the US.

I'm from the US and have the same experience. Just glancing at my feed it's: Somebody celebrating getting out of rehab. Somebody heading to Italy for vacation. Somebody going in a hot air balloon. Somebody going to Santa Fe for vacation and asking for things to do. Somebody said last night was one of the best nights of their life. Somebody sharing progress updates on their offgrid homestead. Somebody got a new pizza…

I'm surprised to hear you even have content. That was Facebook for me like 7 years ago. Now it's a ghost town and the only people left are people hitting the share button on low effort posts. I did block almost all of the people who post or share political stuff from one side

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Post by aierou »

barbazoo wrote: post #77
FormerBandmate wrote: post #65

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>the oppressor It’s a website that shows you what your friends are doing. That’s it. People said the same things about television

It's so much more and if you spend a significant amount of time on HN then you know it.

The implication that HN is a primary source of knowledge is disturbing.
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