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Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by gpderetta »

ggktk wrote: post #203
gpderetta wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was stupid enough to buy a Xiaomi phone without enough due diligence. Aside from all spying that is going on, the software is abysmal. The problem with replacing the OS is that I believe most banking apps I use will stop working. Might just need to write this phone off.

This is why I still have my iPhone around. I know that one day my banking apps will just stop working. For now, Magisk Hide does the job. Next time when I'll be looking for a new Android phone to buy, stock Android will be a hard requirement. I was stupid to pick my Xiaomi phone for it's hardware, I should've just gone with a Motorola.

I went from two nexuses to two motorolas to the Xiaomi. I didn't how good I had it with stock Android.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

axiosgunnar wrote: post #235
908B64B197 wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, people have been trying to flee Lithuania for the US when the USSR was still around, and not the other way around. I wonder if they might be skeptical of another communist regime starting to interfere with the country. Worked so well the last time...

? Lithuania has been capitalist for 20+ years and quality of life has increased by a lot ever since. the three baltic states are frontrunners in gov digitalization, for example

Lithuania's gov digitalisation is a bit of a farce. To use it - you need to login via your bank or couple of other supremely inconvenient forms of homegrown federated login systems, none of which offer a simple U2F. Then you get a form that 99% of time doesn't work on mobile. When you do fill it, actual government clark picks it, reviews it and 4 weeks later you get a response - "you need to come to the office to verify your identity".

Contrast it with NZ - I had to send my documents via post. In 6 years I NEVER had to visit ANY of government agency but I did receive visas and passports, just simply by post (if you have local drivers licence you do get to use local online services, which is a stupid barrier to begin with, but whatever).

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Post by icedistilled »

deadalus wrote: post #232
everdrive wrote: post #205

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Except your phone is not backdoored by the FBI.

It is backdoored by : Pegasus, NSA, CIA, 14 Eyes

There is a difference between having the potential of access versus actually having software installed that scans keywords to phone home about.

Wasn't everyone just outraged about apples csam because it could have the potential for intel agencies, like china's to abuse it by claiming political photos were csam?

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Post by PeterisP »

stickfigure wrote: post #211
nitrogen wrote: post #174

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how would it exfiltrate the data without OS-level access to the IP stack Do iPhones use modems embedded in the SoC? Modem firmware can communicate with the cell network without the OS.

Which cell network, in which country? What protocol are those packets going to travel over, what is their destination, and how do they get routed?

The exact same protocol and route as any normal packets - I'd presume that for a phone it's just as for computer network hardware, that OS is not in full control of the IP stack and the firmware can send extra packets that OS won't see (with the same source/routing as configured by the OS after it does it) and process the response packets without propagating them to where the OS might see them.

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Post by sudosysgen »

Scoundreller wrote: post #202

Canada has unofficially banned the sale of theirdevices, or at least that’s why eBay said the Canadian government told them to not allow their sale. Though eBay.ca just blocked any listing containing the word “xiaomi”, though they make a ton of things that aren’t phones. I just took out xiaomi and left the model number and sold my thing. Still waiting for my government to respond to my request to find out why.

Xiaomi devices are not and never were certified for use in Canada.

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Post by tehjoker »

lmilcin wrote: post #191
tehjoker wrote: post #180

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Given the erosion in the bill of rights here, I suspect things are on a similar playing field. The main difference is the US government only censors using indirect means or by attacking the providers of information like Julian Assange. Did we forget that the NSA is collecting most of the traffic on the internet?

I still say there is a big difference between intercepting the Internet traffic and saying that giving unlimited access to the information is a prerequisite to doing business. Just think US government decided to imprison Apple executives and put their own in place of them unless Apple gave unlimited access to all their devices to US agencies. Also the way China uses this information -- to control minorities, punish "…

At least some of the groups China bans are CIA funded or are other regime change attempts by the west, but point taken.

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Post by throwhehehe »

hangonhn wrote: post #231
pulse7 wrote: post #215

The blacklist is interesting, because it maybe shows China's government interests - some of which are not widely known: - "Independence of Mongolia" - Does this show they would like to acquire Mongolia (when the time will be appropriate)? - "The Organisation for the Liberation of Palestine" - Does this show pro-Israel support?

The issue of Mongolian independence was left ambiguous by the USSR and China (this includes the PRC and ROC -- they both technically claim it). Mongolia had at one point petitioned to join the USSR but was actually rejected. The status of Mongolia was a bargaining chip the USSR used with the PRC and China never really completely relinquished its claim on it (whether that claim is legit is another issue) Good YouTube…

> (this includes the PRC and ROC -- they both technically claim it)

Neither claims it anymore. The PRC never did. The ROC did at least until the 60s, but they changed position around 2002.

The ROC technically recognized the independent Mongolia in 1946 after some pressure from the Soviets, though they backpedaled on that and blocked Mongolia admission into the UN in the 50s. Taiwan certainly recognizes Mongolia since 2002 at least. They have good relation.

The PRC has good enough relations with Mongolia since mid 80s.

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Post by felipelemos »

reginold wrote: post #229
dvh wrote: post #194

"Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence" or "democracy movement". Sent from my Xiaomi, let's see if it works. Anyway, I always thought if I have to use American phone backdoored by FBI or Chinese phone backdoored by China, I choose Chinese because they really cannot arrest me, unlike FBI.

The scan is not for English words. Extract from table 14.... =================================================== No.: Original - Approximate translation 1 "宗教虔信者阵线", “Front of religious believers”, ... 22 "西藏自由", “Free Tibet”, ... 60 "蒙古独立", “Independence of Mongolia”, 61 "89民运", “89 Democracy Movement”, 62 "基督灵恩布道团", “Christian charismatic mission”, ... 145 "伊斯兰联盟", “Islamic League”, ... 201 "民运", “Democratic Moveme…

Sent from my Xiaomi device:

No.: Original - Approximate translation 1 "宗教虔信者阵线", “Front of religious believers”, ... 22 "西藏自由", “Free Tibet”, ... 60 "蒙古独立", “Independence of Mongolia”, 61 "89民运", “89 Democracy Movement”, 62 "基督灵恩布道团", “Christian charismatic mission”, ... 145 "伊斯兰联盟", “Islamic League”, ... 201 "民运", “Democratic Movement”, 202 "妇女委员会", “Women’s Committee”, 203 "伊斯兰马格里布基地组织", “Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb”, 204 "人民报", “People’s daily newspaper”, 205 "巴勒斯坦解放组织", “The Organisation for the Liberation of Palestine”,

Let's see

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