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Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by robertlagrant »

brokenmachine wrote: post #207
stavros wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I visited /r/hermancainaward the other day becsuse I wanted to check it out, and I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. I was sad that people could be so misinformed/misled, but the subreddit seemed genuinely happy that these people died. That sounds very much like a hate group to me, and I'd like to see it as banned as fatpeoplehate (whic…

>instead of trying to somehow help The most popular winners of the hermancainaward that you're lamenting the loss of are the kinds of people who would aggressively decline such help, and probably shout at you for offering it. You may call me a bad person, but I was quietly hoping that Trump died from the pandemic he exacerbated and Bezos' rocket exploded in a blaze of justice. Those people wouldn't shed a tear for yo…

But that's not justice. It's just... hate.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by robertlagrant »

mullingitover wrote: post #94
fortran77 wrote: post #74

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I’d bet you and I both would agree that we don’t like people who recklessly put themselves in a situation where they are at extreme risk to catch or spread COVID. If we were to have a forum that criticized people who won’t vaccinate, won’t distance, won’t wear protective masks, and promote unproven treatments would that be a “hate group?”

Obesity isn't contagious so these things aren't remotely comparable. It was just a hate group, stop digging man.

> It was just a hate group, stop digging man

I like your ironic username.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by brokenmachine »

robertlagrant wrote: post #241
brokenmachine wrote: post #207

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>instead of trying to somehow help The most popular winners of the hermancainaward that you're lamenting the loss of are the kinds of people who would aggressively decline such help, and probably shout at you for offering it. You may call me a bad person, but I was quietly hoping that Trump died from the pandemic he exacerbated and Bezos' rocket exploded in a blaze of justice. Those people wouldn't shed a tear for yo…

But that's not justice. It's just... hate.

I couldn't think of the best word to use. Actually poetic justice is what I was looking for.

Karma's probably pretty close to what I mean - for all the workers peeing in bottles toiling in his salt mines, and everybody's cumulative suffering because of the taxes he never paid.

Just because he's been involved in corrupting the system so much that those taxes aren't even demanded doesn't mean he gets out of a karmic obligation to all the people who's work he's built his incredibly narcissistic and tone-deaf space joyride empire on.

Imagine you're in a small tribe on a desert island with limited resources.

Do you think Mr hog-absolutely-everything-so-I-can-joyride-a-giant-dick-that-others-designed-for-me-into-what-can-only-just-be-technically-called-space-so-I-can-now-cringeworthily-call-myself-an-astronaut-without-having-any-actual-skills would be popular in the tribe, or not?

Well, we're all part of a larger tribe on a slightly bigger island with limited resources, and I have some ideas on who I wouldn't mind being seen thrown into the volcano.

And all the more satisfying if there's the added poetic justice of them falling into the volcano themselves because of their own incredibly loud stupidity. So call me a hater if you like.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by nverno »

midev wrote: post #184
adamrezich wrote: post #179

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if people get exposed to bad ideas, they can't be trusted to use their own logic and moral faculties to determine right from wrong, which is why free speech is more than unnecessary, it's downright evil. no, instead, we need governments and corporations to regulate speech, for the good of mankind. ...or so the thinking goes

> they can't be trusted to use their own logic and moral faculties to determine right from wrong History has shown this to be true over and over and over. We even have evidence to this: https://news.mit.edu/2018/study-twitter-false-news-travels-f... Fake news travels faster and convinces more people than the truth.

Everything is repeated throughout history, but more often than not consensus must tend towards the truth, otherwise human knowledge wouldnt have advanced so far. If the information is of real value (eg. farming techniques, technology, weapons) people are quite discerning.

On the other hand, if it's essentially gossip, like twitter, the truth isn't particularly important but shock value is- it's more about social standing/status, entertainment or whatever.

The arguments for controlling 'misinformation' are really just claims by one entity that they should be in control of the gossip.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by ArneBab »

kafkaIncarnate wrote: post #210
ogurechny wrote: post #195

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Let's say someone decided to buy a child slave on a Central Slave Market on Freenet. He would have a problem with that 5 years ago. And also 10 years ago. And also 15 years ago. Why? Because there never was a Central Slave Market, and no one was selling child slaves. Perhaps my memory fails me, and you have some links to fix my error? Please share. Before you say you can't remember the specifics, let me tell you that…

There was a messaging system before Frost. You can go look that up, I'm not doing this for you because you are calling me a troll, which is a great way to end civilized discourse and end any attempt at reasonable conversation. I never said that a central slave market was on Freenet. I don't even think the protocol would be a very effective way to do it due to how slow and unreliable the protocol is at retrieving thin…

You might want to check again. If you use the indexes, the current forum systems (FMS) or the social network (Sone), you are very unlikely to find any of that stuff without actively going searching for it.

The days where many people posted stuff just for the thrill of being able to post something illegal and disgusting are long gone — partly because the communication structures in Freenet evolved, so such stuff will quickly make you invisible to most people (since most people subscribe to moderation that hides that).

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by CRConrad »

Biggest problem: Sounds too much like "Freenode", will get confused with that whole mess.

Yeah, sure, partly in jest -- but partly in earnest, too. I got it confused when I first saw the link, had to go back and re-read "Aha, no, Freenet..."

[Edit:] Heh -- see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28588443 [/Edit]

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by ArneBab »

CRConrad wrote: post #246

Biggest problem: Sounds too much like "Freenode", will get confused with that whole mess. Yeah, sure, partly in jest -- but partly in earnest, too. I got it confused when I first saw the link, had to go back and re-read "Aha, no, Free net..." [Edit:] Heh -- see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28588443 [/Edit]

If that’s the biggest problem, there’s no problem :-)

Meet us on libera.chat: https://web.libera.chat/?nick=FollowTheRabbit|?#freenet

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by CRConrad »

ArneBab wrote: post #247
CRConrad wrote: post #246

Biggest problem: Sounds too much like "Freenode", will get confused with that whole mess. Yeah, sure, partly in jest -- but partly in earnest, too. I got it confused when I first saw the link, had to go back and re-read "Aha, no, Free net..." [Edit:] Heh -- see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28588443 [/Edit]

If that’s the biggest problem, there’s no problem :-) Meet us on libera.chat: https://web.libera.chat/?nick=FollowTheRabbit|?#freenet

Fan, folk är vakna tidigt i Linköping.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by tmikaeld »

CRConrad wrote: post #248
ArneBab wrote: post #247

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If that’s the biggest problem, there’s no problem :-) Meet us on libera.chat: https://web.libera.chat/?nick=FollowTheRabbit|?#freenet

Fan, folk är vakna tidigt i Linköping.

Du skulle vara se folk i Halmstad

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Post by user-the-name »

lancesells wrote: post #66
fortran77 wrote: post #49

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Ok, I get it. You're against free speech. But the point stands--it's difficult to find a place to host a forum that contains legal discussions that happen to offend the sensibilities of the type of people who run tech companies.

You can't find a hosting provider for an anti-obesity forum? I would think there are all types of servers you could find.

It might be because it is not actually an "anti-obesity forum" but actually a hate group that was kicked out for good reason.
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