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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by md_ »

captainredbeard wrote: post #11

Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

> Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread?

Well, it does reduce spread, right?

That said,

> Join the feedlot if you want but I will not, I have been doing just fine as my own master, I need not the yoke of protection, certainly not from the feds.

One of the other motivations policymakers have in promoting vaccination is that in many places hospital capacity is dangerously reduced due to the influx of covid cases.

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Post by zimpenfish »

iluvcommunism wrote: post #156
xupybd wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A hard hat isn't a medical procedure. Some die from this vaccine. I weighed up the options and decided it was by far the lower risk option. I think people need to be free to make that choice. Freedom is so valuable.

VAERS shows several thousand have died. Some estimate 45k based on a Harvard study on VAERS indicating a % that goes unreported.

Ignoring that VAERS is unverified data, and taking that 45k as "all these people died directly due to the vaccine", it's still only 45k out of 378M doses administered - 0.012%.

(For comparison, 2021 has 31k gun deaths[1] through September and 21.5k road deaths through the first 6 months.)

[1] https://www.gunviolencearchive.org [2] https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/prelimina...

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by _fat_santa »

version_five wrote: post #39
asquabventured wrote: post #13

I refuse to comply with this over reach and I’m fully vaccinated

I agree and support this. People want to conflate the issues of not believing in vaccines (or whatever words they like to put in peoples mouths) and believing in having to provide proof of a personal health situation all over the place. It's convenient to pretend that anyone who is against government and corporate overreach is an "anti-vaxxer" instead of actually engage with the issue.

I just hate that there seems to be zero nuance now on the topic. According to the media you're in one of two camps.

Camp 1: Pro vaccine, pro mask, pro lockdown, pro doing anything and everything the government says.

Camp 2: Anti vaxx, anti mask, anti lockdown, trump supporter, Jan 7th attendee, etc.

And it seems that now more than ever, if you're not 10000% in Camp 1, you're automatically assumed to be in Camp 2

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Post by guscost »

ctrlp wrote: post #203

Whether or not you agree if there is legal authority for mandates for this vaccine or this pandemic, where does it end? The trajectory we're on is for all people to be monitored by the State for compliance with the vaccine programs. Israel is already saying 4 shots (and more) will required [0] to participate in that society. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are quasi-police states [1] and will probably mandate vacc…

America will split into two societies - those who demand a yearly injection (and who knows what else) in exchange for access to basic goods and services, and those who do not. The ones who do not will gather in their own towns, cities, and states where this freedom is respected, and secured by militias. I will be in that latter society.

Or civil war. Also possible.

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Post by dadoge »

ctrlp wrote: post #203

Whether or not you agree if there is legal authority for mandates for this vaccine or this pandemic, where does it end? The trajectory we're on is for all people to be monitored by the State for compliance with the vaccine programs. Israel is already saying 4 shots (and more) will required [0] to participate in that society. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are quasi-police states [1] and will probably mandate vacc…

I’m going to bookmark this and DM you in a few yrs pointing out how painfully wrong you’ll be

There is broad consensus that covid will turn into a cold/flu like illness once our bodies have built a strong enough immune response.

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Post by betterunix2 »

captainredbeard wrote: post #28
tfehring wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think “prevent” is too imprecise a term here. The vaccines don’t eliminate the risk of spreading the virus to others. They do materially reduce the risk of spreading the virus to others.

How much pro-social good is required to force me to take a medical treatment I do not consent to?

How much was required for mandatory polio vaccination? MMR? Smallpox?

Vaccine requirements have been commonplace for decades now, and society has greatly benefited from it.

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Post by steverb »

ctrlp wrote: post #203

Whether or not you agree if there is legal authority for mandates for this vaccine or this pandemic, where does it end? The trajectory we're on is for all people to be monitored by the State for compliance with the vaccine programs. Israel is already saying 4 shots (and more) will required [0] to participate in that society. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are quasi-police states [1] and will probably mandate vacc…

I predict that by December of 2021 enough people will have gotten the vaccine or have had COVID that the hospitalization numbers will drop precipitously and then we can all go back to a normal life.

The OSHA requirement will hang around, but people won't be freaking out about it because it will be normal. Within two years there will be a childhood COVID vaccine that is safe and effective and it will be required for school attendance like all the other shots.

All the people freaking out about the vaccine/mask requirements will have matured out of it or will find something else to be outraged about.

If I'm wrong, I will come back and say I was wrong. :-) I may lose an internet point or two.

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Post by christophilus »

dadoge wrote: post #231
guscost wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascism. It’s just called fascism.

Yes, this is the same as putting people in concentration camps Unbelievable…

It’s in fact the definition of fascism. Concentration camps aren’t unique to fascism, and you could have a fascist system without them.

Edit: I think I replied to the wrong thread, actually. The thread I was on asked: “What’s the term for the fusion of state and corporate power?”

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Post by hackflip »

dmitrygr wrote: post #3

> OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary > Standard (ETS) to implement this requirement Is this "temporary" in the same way that the PATRIOT act and our invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 were "temporary"? Well, I guess one should never let a good crisis go to waste...

I think they said something about two weeks.
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