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Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by pibechorro »

gumby wrote: post #217
WalterBright wrote: post #138

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EE programs tend to focus on electronics, not electrical systems. But learning how house wiring works is a simple book away. But be careful - unlike electronics, house electrics can kill you. On the other hand, electricians have weird gaps in their knowledge. If I ask them to do something slightly out of the ordinary, this becomes apparent. For example, none of them understand inductive coupling, or even know what it…

I built my house with union labor (union shop) and found the level of competence higher than was typical with jo the random contractor (of course there are exceptions, and for some jobs it doesn’t matter). Likewise with the machine shop a few jobs ago: although we weren’t a union shop, for some jobs we hired contractors in for the union members produced better work, especially for the safety critical stuff. I have no…

Every union I interacted with in NYC was a borderline scam. Slow, inneficient, overpriced and outright hostile.

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Post by notanzaiiswear »

s5300 wrote: post #209
notanzaiiswear wrote: post #165

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Women didn't and don't need well paying jobs to start a family. What "equal right" do you mean, that "equaled opportunities in the labor market and education"? Also you seem to miss on the fact that men get worse grades in school (which some say is because of discrimination), which makes it harder for them to enter university.

Why is it that you default to the idea that women want to start a family? It's a big ass cool world we have going on, and starting a family effectively ties you down from being able to explore it. Good grief.

Lots of people want to start families. It's not something I invented or "default to". There is nothing wrong with wanting to start families, either. Some may find that nothing in the big as cool world is as cool as having children.

Nobody says you have to do that, but if some men and women want to do it, it will show up in the statistics.

Also even if you don't want a family and just want to explore the world alone, you don't need that much money. What exactly, do you want all the money for, that a high end career would give you? Also working 60 hour weeks would also prevent you from exploring the world, wouldn't it?

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Post by ourlordcaffeine »

zapnuk wrote: post #130
baron816 wrote: post #63

A lot of this is driven by narratives—A narrative that college isn’t worth it anymore. A narrative that (white) men are uniformly privileged and life is just easy for them. And a narrative that those men aren’t wanted by society any more. I’m not convinced that all those men need to go to college, but they clearly need something. They need to feel like they’re part of society. Nothing good can come of an entire gener…

I wonder how woman feel reading such comments. Men dominated better paying jobs and positions of power since forever. It took 50+ years between equal rights before the law to equal opportunities in the labour market and education. Men still have every opportunity a woman has. In addition, they are still recognized more for leading positions. They also dominate about every trade related job. Yet, they are 'left withou…

"all they need it to do is do whatever they want" sounds like a very middle class take on things.

People from working class rust belt towns in the UK, for example, can't just do what they want, since there are no opportunities. But they are told that they are privileged and can do what they want, and then people wonder why support for labour/leftism has plummeted in working class communities.

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Post by LightG »

jmeister wrote: post #145
throwtheworld wrote: post #99

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> A narrative that (white) men are uniformly privileged and life is just easy for them. This is very perspective dependent. I’m a black college student now and every conversation with friends back home includes some mention of dropping out because it’s not for us as well. When you see people with equivalent resumes already coasting by in the job market because they could get their last names and LinkedIn photos past…

I’m sorry, in 2021, companies and universities are bending over backwards to hire black candidates. This falls in the “earth is not flat” category in 2021, I will not bother posting evidence, as a litmus test of the HN crowd.

Do you hear that?

It's the sound of your mind closing ...

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by auxym »

orbifold wrote: post #200
lhoff wrote: post #175

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The AC voltage will induce noise onto the low voltage wire. That noise can be of a higher voltage then the low voltage and damage the equipment behind it. See also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction

That shouldn't happen if the cable is properly shielded, no?

In practice home LV wiring is rarely shielded, maybe with CAT6 as an exception. Things like speaker wire, doorbells, vacuum control wires, etc are not typically shielded.

Also the shield needs a low impedance return path to be effective.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by wiredfool »

WalterBright wrote: post #160
blueblisters wrote: post #154

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That's the thing with vocationals skills - they make you really good at understanding how something works or how to fix something without breaking something else, but beyond that range of problems and solutions, you need to talk to an engineer. Not that vocational jobs are not important - clearly they add value and create employment.

I'm not so sure they understand how it works, though. BTW, if you ever see an EE with a card that has printed on it: V = I*R I = V/R R = V/I it's a sure sign he's a formula-plugger, and has no idea how it works. He doesn't even understand algebra. https://testguy.net/content/266-Ohm-s-Law-Watt-s-Law-Cheat-S... A definite no-hire :-/

Yeah, it would be E=IR

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by s5300 »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #233
s5300 wrote: post #209

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Why is it that you default to the idea that women want to start a family? It's a big ass cool world we have going on, and starting a family effectively ties you down from being able to explore it. Good grief.

That's not what their argument is about at all. Don't change the context to argue in bad faith. Women don't have the same financial expectations as men do. This is true even today, despite all the push for equal pay and equal rights. Often, that's prior to even getting into a relationship. If you seek an indication, ask a bunch of guys if they would settle for a girl still living at home and then ask the inverse, bot…

I'm not changing context or attempting to argue in bad faith. The statement is just asinine and delusional with regards to American culture at least.

You sound like you have some preconceived notion of you or your friends being wronged by women or something that I'm not going to be able to shake or have a reasonable discussion about.

I will however say, in words that may appease your ideology - it's honestly never been easier to get a banging hot girlfriend than in the current climate. You literally just have to not be completely fucking weird, have a hint of how to dress in something that compliments your figure, have the smallest standards of 21st century developed country hygiene, and one ever so slightly interesting hobby. Seriously, women will throw themselves at you.

But keep telling yourself what you want to think and reinforcing your views. I've honestly felt nothing but bad for women in STEM lately after an internship as a MechE in a fairly large and well known company. The older men acted fucking disgustingly towards the female interns, when all they're trying to do is make a career in STEM.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by fredgrott »

baron816 wrote: post #63

A lot of this is driven by narratives—A narrative that college isn’t worth it anymore. A narrative that (white) men are uniformly privileged and life is just easy for them. And a narrative that those men aren’t wanted by society any more. I’m not convinced that all those men need to go to college, but they clearly need something. They need to feel like they’re part of society. Nothing good can come of an entire gener…

It's more accurate to say that Universities and Colleges are extinct so the story should be what is taking its place and what are the consequences...

Its just like the Ed loan program..

Many don't realize its a teaching goal tool, those that get that they need to form a business around their brand to pay off the loan win and those that do not lose and society loses.

We should not bet on society losing this time around such as the elites did in the US!

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Post by MereInterest »

orbifold wrote: post #200
lhoff wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AC voltage will induce noise onto the low voltage wire. That noise can be of a higher voltage then the low voltage and damage the equipment behind it. See also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction

That shouldn't happen if the cable is properly shielded, no?

Electric fields are easy to shield against with a Faraday cage, but magnetic fields are a royal pain. You can use mu-metal shielding, but that's rather expensive and only reduces the magnetic field. Technically, if you wanted to entirely shield from magnetic fields, you'd need to surround the wire with a superconductor, but that requires liquid nitrogen/helium cooling that is out of the scope of most residential work.

Re: A generation of American men give up on college

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Post by notanzaiiswear »

s5300 wrote: post #247
BlargMcLarg wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what their argument is about at all. Don't change the context to argue in bad faith. Women don't have the same financial expectations as men do. This is true even today, despite all the push for equal pay and equal rights. Often, that's prior to even getting into a relationship. If you seek an indication, ask a bunch of guys if they would settle for a girl still living at home and then ask the inverse, bot…

I'm not changing context or attempting to argue in bad faith. The statement is just asinine and delusional with regards to American culture at least. You sound like you have some preconceived notion of you or your friends being wronged by women or something that I'm not going to be able to shake or have a reasonable discussion about. I will however say, in words that may appease your ideology - it's honestly never be…

Americans don't have families anymore? OK, that's news to me, I admit.
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