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What does "medicinal uses" have to do with the topic of impaired driving? There are all sorts of legal medications that will also impair someone's ability to drive.

The use of THC does not mean you are impaired.

Yeah it does.

Let us just say you are somehow different. That could be possible, and I do not want to question your experience. So great! You are not impaired.

That is simply not helpful or viable from a policy point of view.

When we regulate, we need legal tests and policy applicable to people in a very broad sense, or what we get is a mess that does us no real good.

I have known exceptions to the rule myself. People who can perform having had booze, pot, other drugs.

Always hard to tell whether their baseline, sober capability is exceptional enough to present normally with drugs on board, or their response to the drug is simply different.

Fair? I think so.

And those people can manage their use, function and pass tests too. Cannabis users cannot and that is a problem we have no easy answers to right now.

Sadly, being the exception to the rule really does us all no good when it comes to policy.

Fact is, barring very few people, using THC impairs that user.

Benadryl does the same thing, and in my State people can get a DUI on Benadryl. Sadly, they can also get one being a little too tired and having failed a THC test because they hit a binger last weekend too.

This is all a difficult problem to solve.

It should deffo be off Schedule 1

However, even a full federal legalization would leave us with the testing dilemma I described above. That might be one reason it is still on schedule.

But, say Feds went full legal. Workers comp would still be a big issue because they cannot determine fault, and best case would charge employers accordingly, meaning most would continue their harsh policy, leaving us right where this discussion started.

Opiates, booze, other things flush out and are testable in ways cannabis just is not. And that is a major league policy problem.

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There's a difference: Amazon can pay more. As you said, the millennials can't . If there's a millennial out there flush with cash but didn't get the house they wanted despite having $$$ more than needed, then yes-- that would be their own choice. Just like it's Amazon's choice to live with a driver shortage if they can pay more but won't . Based on their 2020 profits, they can pay more. $20B in profits, 170,000 deliv…

>There's a difference: Amazon can pay more. As you said, the millennials can't. Just like it's Amazon's choice to live with a driver shortage if they can pay more but won't. But GP was talking about "any shortage", not just amazon's shortage. For the sake of argument I'll let that slide. I'm sure millennials can pay more. It just would involve uncomfortable sacrifices, and most people don't think that's not worth the…

> But GP was talking about "any shortage", not just amazon's shortage.

And followed it by arguing they could just raise wages, which makes it clear the "any" is within the context of at least talking about employers, and quite likely specifically talking about Amazon

You're being obtuse.

> Likewise, amazon would like more delivery drivers, but isn't desperate enough to actually raise wages and/or improve working conditions.

In other words, they've made a choice.

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I has a friend who tested positive on urine test despite not ever consuming MJ. Turns out he took ibuprofen and the test came out positive.

Even if your friend truly did not consume marijuana how do you conclude it was the ibuprofen that caused that failed test?

It was the only medication he was taking at the time because of a tooth ache. The authority requiring the test let it pass.

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When did HN start having such low quality comments?

People who live in glass houses and all. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28338633

That isn’t a low quality comment it was widely reported at the time that each cost $250k. See for yourself https://www.google.com/search?q=waymo+each+cost+%24250k&rlz=...

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they may or may not have been appropriate 18 months ago, far before the vaccine was even a thought.. but they definitely lasted too long and artificially raised the price of labor..

Go on about what the price of labor should be. For you.

unlike socialists i think the price of labor is simply the price at which someone accepts working for someone else, agree to by both parties. my price is exceptionally high because i’m highly skilled and intelligent and in demand and the market sets a price for that.

if someone has zero discernible skills but the government interferes and pays them more for doing nothing at home than their labor is worth then that’s the issue.

my pay is based off supply and demand not stealing and mooching or government fiat

and i don’t have the arrogance or tyrranical nature to presume i know the optimal price better than the market does

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The test for marijuana aren't as useful as the tests for alcohol. Marijuana test may still come up positive long after you are impaired.

Yes, THC is lipophilic. Heavy users can take as long as 30 days to test negative.

Even longer, personally failed a drug test after not smoking for 4 months. I believe it's something to do with modern test involve looking for what THC breaks down into as the body processes it instead of THC itself.

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Take full advantage of the system. Smart. These people might never suffer no matter what changes, unless maybe there's some sort of purge.

Who and why do you want to suffer?

Why, everyone, but in this case I meant the high ups at Amazon.

However the world changes, being able to play the system is a huge advantage.

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Decades of exposure to intentionally misleading propaganda is difficult to ignore. It becomes a part of the worldview, making it hard to even think outside that box.

True. But some part of that propaganda is from pot smokers themselves. Some enjoy the image of the laid-back happy carefree pothead. Their cult leaders (used to be) Cheech and Chong. Maybe they've just bought in to someone elses' worldview. But I don't think so.

Cheech and Chong are a couple of goofy comedians from the '70s. They are not leaders, and they don't have followers. Maybe they have fans (and are C&C still alive?)

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Well no, there are serious health risk associated with weed. Maybe alcohol have them too, yes both deserve legality, but this is not to say it is "safe", especially in young.

There are health risks associated with THC: - the possibility of psychosis or schizophrenia in people 16-35 ( https://medicine.yale.edu/psychiatry/step/resources/Cannabis... ) - the same risk that inhaling any combustible has - overeating - cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome ( https://www.cedars-sinai.org/health-library/diseases-and-con... ) For some people the benefits outweigh the risks, especially when practiced in…

Overeating? That's a health risk for THC?

And the last I heard, oxygen was "combustible". Inhaling a combustible isn't a health risk; inhaling combustion products might be. But many pot smokers use a vape, set to well-below the combustion temperature for their chosen herb.

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> How is coffee different from tobacco? The difference in effect on health is severe, for one? There’s room for more nuance than ”both of these are psychoactive substances”.

Sure. But how about the fact that tobacco and coffee actually share the same psychoactive substances, i.e. Harmala alkaloids?

Do they or don't they have the same harmful effect on health?

It's a new one on me that coffee contains nicotine, the principal addictive agent in tobacco.

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