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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by suzzer99 »

timr wrote: post #203
valine wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving a platform to crackpots isn't always dangerous, but in the case of vaccines it's a public health concern. It's definitely not a good idea to give legitimacy to antivaxers during a pandemic when people dying. Save that conversation for another time.

I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

Yes, more speech is always the answer. Which is why the unmoderated internet is a such a bastion of enlightened, thoughtful discourse.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by the_third_wave »

valine wrote: post #180
timr wrote: post #146

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> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

Giving a platform to crackpots isn't always dangerous, but in the case of vaccines it's a public health concern. It's definitely not a good idea to give legitimacy to antivaxers during a pandemic when people dying. Save that conversation for another time.

Equating any criticism of the strategies pushed by the medical establishment as "antivaxx" is just as counterproductive as calling everything "racist" or "transphobic" or "homophobic" or any of the other epithets being bandied around by the new puritans. Words have meanings, these meanings can change over time (language evolves) but forcing them to change to fit a given narrative leads to an unhealthy political and social climate. It is what Orwell wrote about in "1984", what Solzhenitsyn wrote about in "The First Circle", what Bradbury wrote about in "Fahrenheit 451", none of which were meant as user manuals for a healthy society.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by clipradiowallet »

kelnos wrote: post #153
Clubber wrote: post #76

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I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you…

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> Everyone who is eligible and medically able needs to get vaccinated. I'm getting super tired of all this garbage; the US has had the vaccine supply and capability to be out of the pandemic by now

That's a rather polarized position... what facts or experienced led you to this conclusion you stated? Specifically "the unvaccinated are screwing over the rest of us who are doing the right thing".

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by throwawayboise »

kadoban wrote: post #214
timr wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. The whole "both sides" thing is the _worst_ of cable news and why I signed off years ago. Does the Sun orbit the Earth? Let's get a crazy person on and see. It's okay because we'll give an expert a few minutes too.

You see an equivalency between discussing new vaccine technologies for a novel virus, and discussing whether the Sun orbits the Earth?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by lghh »

timr wrote: post #203
valine wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving a platform to crackpots isn't always dangerous, but in the case of vaccines it's a public health concern. It's definitely not a good idea to give legitimacy to antivaxers during a pandemic when people dying. Save that conversation for another time.

I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

Say I'm an interviewer running a podcast about SaaS startups. Which is more useful?

1. I interview a handful of people who have differing opinions on what it takes to lead a SaaS startup who have all had successful exist, but have differing opinions on key issues. Maybe throw in a few people who have experience working in that type of environment, but maybe not leading, if you want a little more variety.

2. I interview someone who has led a successful exit like in (1), but I also interview a full time commission visual artist who has never worked at a SaaS startup. I give both their ideas on how to run a SaaS startup equal weight, even when the visual artist isn't making any sense in the context of the conversation or is spewing nonsense in the context of the conversation.

Joe does (2). They are both "free speech", but only one is actually useful.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by ssijak »

Lately it is getting harder to get an episode I want to listen to. 70-80% are comedian friend episodes which I have 0% inclination to listen to (I wonder how many people listen to them compared to other episodes) and then there are 10-20% guests either from MMA or boring 20x already told story about gender/vaccines/masks/invermectin/etc. And then there are 10% of interesting guests. Previously on youtube it was much better. I even enjoy listening to some quacks, like Graham Hanckok because he has interesting stories, but he does not even has that lately.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by Alupis »

tych0 wrote: post #236
nradov wrote: post #232

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You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?

Seems like GP might be talking about Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan is a professional comedian, among other side gigs like his podcast and commentating UFC fights.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by hobs »

beaner wrote: post #227
kadoban wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. The whole "both sides" thing is the _worst_ of cable news and why I signed off years ago. Does the Sun orbit the Earth? Let's get a crazy person on and see. It's okay because we'll give an expert a few minutes too.

Ok great, so you've picked a side and have your ears shut. Don't act like everyone else should adopt that attitude.

Well, we haven't proven you're not an (insert horrible slur here) so let's have an endless stream of guests speculate on whether or not you are!
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