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WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan

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Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan

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Not necessarily, but I jave no reason to believe China, Saudi, Turkey, the UAE or other countries with some kind of leverage won't try. Especially with their own citizens living abroad.

I’m sure they will try, but I don’t see how this mechanism will help them.

Really? Now they are technically capable to do so. Before that, they were not. Or they were and just didn't tell anyone. Still kow idea how that mechanism might help?

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I’m sure they will try, but I don’t see how this mechanism will help them.

Really? Now they are technically capable to do so. Before that, they were not. Or they were and just didn't tell anyone. Still kow idea how that mechanism might help?

Capable to do what exactly? What technical capability are you referring to? This isn’t a general purpose file scanning mechanism.

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Both of the features involve opt-in client side content filtering. The only objections are to that.

The CSAM scanning is not opt-in. Sure, you could stop using iCloud. That’s opt-out.

That’s not correct. This applies only to iCloud Photo Library, not to iCloud as a whole.

iCloud Photo Library is an optional feature, and there are numerous alternatives.

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> Apple, … can sniff through electronic communication as they see fit Except that they can’t and don’t.

Google is checking, apparently, Gmail for cp. Apple is doing it, soon, on your phone. Checking your mail for analog cp requires a warrant and can only be done by police. See the difference?

> Apple is doing it, soon, on your phone.

Apple is only checking images you choose to upload to iCloud photos to see if you are uploading a collection of CSAM. This is entirely optional, and they have publicly explained what they are doing.

They are not sniffing through your communications as they see fit.

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Child porn was, as far as I remember, made illegal because 2 million children was used in it's production. Now that number is 5 million.

Is that five million a year, or five million total, including the original two million? This isn’t saying anything about whether more children are being abused now. Given how ubiquitous cameras are, I can fully imagine more pictures being taken, though.

It's just a number taken out of thin air, just like the original 2 million.

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Apple doesn’t scan iCloud for CSAM and refuses to do it. Which is why they researched intensively on differential privacy.

But they could, as iCloud Photos is not e2e (Apple can read all of it) and they turn over the user data on over 30,000 users per year to the USG without even a warrant. This is just farce.

No they refuse to indiscriminately scan iCloud.

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Before buying the DSLR, I'd recommend at least checking out the 1" sensor size market. These cameras still take excellent quality photos in a wide range of lighting conditions but are so much more compact than having an interchangeable lens system. I sold my DSLR a couple of years after getting my G9x Mark II. The DSLR was always gathering dust compared to the G9x which with a small belt case could easily be taken an…

There are plenty of Micro 4/3 sensors that have interchangeable lenses too though, so you don't have to be locked into a compact camera with built-in lenses. You can have the best of both worlds.

Agreed, those are also an excellent middle ground from a full-sized DSLR to a compact shooter but still give most of the performance and about all the flexibility of a DSLR.

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It’s too late either way. The fact that it even got this far through implementation says the vendor is not on my side. Not only that once capability is revealed it can be required by governments and manipulated under warrant. Particularly in some regimes, mine included, the vendor can be compelled to do something and not say anything. My comment doesn’t even cover how monumentally flawed the entire thing is either. S…

On a DSLR front: are there now DSLR/cameras that do the type of "computational photography" that pixel or iphones are doing? Not having to edit the pictures is a huge plus, and JPG files in Nikon, even with dynamic range on, are pretty mediocre compared to Pixel phone.

Generally, if you are shelling out the kind of money for a dslr or mirrorless, you want control over the final image. I shoot in raw and tweak the images I like by hand in darkroom. Lightroom is another option if you want to support adobe.

It takes longer but the end result looks MUCH better than anything your phone can produce. That said, sometimes I just want to take a selfie and not fiddle too much. Thats when I use my google pixel.

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Yes, but current laws also restrict storing images as E2E encrypted, so there is dilemma?

Where are you getting this from? That’s simply not true. It’s perfectly legal to “store images as E2E encrypted”

Encryption itself is not illegal, but it might make harder to comply other legal requirements. I have just heard this many times, and now I read the whole law (curse me). It says on 2258Af part especially that there is no requirement to find evidence of CSAM material all the time. However, if NCMEC especially shares some information about visual depictions and asks to stop redistribution, then provider is required to comply in some cases. For example if they share hashes and these should be stopped. To be able to stop this data, then search is required and complying this with E2E encryption is not possible.

Re: WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan

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This applies only to photos that are uploaded to iCloud. Apple is doing to do the processing on the device though, but only for the photos that are going to be uploaded to iCloud. Like other services do. WhatsApp is a Facebook property and decided to use this confusion to hit Apple politically with a low punch. People that should know better prove once again that most people read no much than the headlines and base t…

That’s like building a tank and saying it’ll only be used for deliveries. Once the infrastructure is in place on every device to detect arbitrary images/messages on the device the switch will be flipped.

iOS is not open source, so, Apple could just deliver the spy payload with another update and probably nobody would ever know if that was the intention. The slippery slope argument simply don't make much sense here (as usual, btw)
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