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The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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I think once you look outside of established brands, there's a lot of this type of thing that happens. Small business led by some random person with no particular competence, who's somehow found himself as the boss. The money comes from some unclear source, though that doesn't necessarily mean illegal, it's just hard to explain why someone thought to invest in this particular venture. I did something like this over a…

I grew up in a family without a lot of money, in a community where there weren't people with a lot of money (or they hid it well) so I was totally unprepared for this as an adult but it turns out -- there are a surprising number of young adults that are just handed a ridiculous stack of money and just need to figure out something productive to do with it. There are some famous examples of it working out well but I'm…

The question is how to engineer those kinds of emergent situations where you just wind up with a bunch of $$$ - in a way that you'll be fine with looking back on later.

It's weird. On the one hand it feels like "lateral creativity + honesty = unicorn", like "never the twain shall meet", but on the other hand I can't come up with a good rigorous explanation for why that's the case.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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"Never work for a small business unless you own it". Citation: me, 35 years ago after my first small business employee experience.

I feel exactly the opposite: "never work for corporations unless they're paying really crazy money". With small companies there's everything, some are bad, some are great, there's a variety to choose from. Corporations are all the same: office politics, "company culture", pointless meetings, even more pointless HR people trying to artificially validate their existence, shifting of focus on passing the evaluations rather than getting work done, etc.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Mine was pretty surreal also. I wrote software for the control room of nuclear power plants. Went with the crew that installed the hardware and software in the first plant. Turned it on, and the first words out of the plant managers mouth was "that can't be right".

There is a talk by german software engineer (fefe) who mentioned this scenario (kind of). It goes something like this: I never wanted to write software for nuclear power plants or the likes where many lives depended the correctness of my work. Then a few years later I met a guy who was quite lax when it came to software security etc. When we talked he mentionend he worked writing code for nuclear powerplants.

And then of course there's the old stereotype (I'm remembering from Idiocracy) of it being the smart people that don't want to have kids, while the dumb people, uh... end up with kids, and that the human race thus became dumber and dumber.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Mine was pretty surreal also. I wrote software for the control room of nuclear power plants. Went with the crew that installed the hardware and software in the first plant. Turned it on, and the first words out of the plant managers mouth was "that can't be right".

And this was your first developer job...?

I am very curious how you wound up there.

The other comments are talking about minimum safe paranoia levels from the perspective of the applicants, but there's also the facility to consider: it would be reasonable/expected/etc to require everyone signing off on significant work to have maybe 10-15 years experience or so. I take it this wasn't happening?

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It may also have been payment in lieu of notice or holiday.

Given the context that seems unlikely - and it's genuinely hard to rack up a three month severance liability at most companies these days unless you're C-level. Most employers will either evaporate or pay out unused annual vacation so you're looking at a year's accrual at most (we can be over generous and say they may have had five weeks owed) - plus any in lieu time which usually caps out at three weeks.

> and it's genuinely hard to rack up a three month severance liability at most companies these days unless you're C-level.

This isn't true in the UK

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I wish I had read this several years ago. This is the kind of thing which everyone instinctively knows but somehow forgets with age, or ignores due to circumstances (like needing a job having just been made redundant). I swear that CEOs like the one mentioned here specifically prefer hiring those who are in need like this, with the predictable awful behaviours. Some people will get lucky, but I expect that they are t…

> Avoid startups where the CEO does / has done nothing but sales. I worked for a small company where this was the case. The owner had been a sales person for a large online industrial web registry and decided he could be a middleman selling the companies websites that integrated with said registry. The job was fine, my paycheck bounced a couple times, but that’s the worst of it until after. In my exit interview I had…

I wonder what became of the junior dev, when the next projects he did took a lot ? longer. Maybe he just said that those were more complicated

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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My first job as a developer was a gift from heaven. I started as a non educated pho developer. I hardly knew the concept of OOP. A very talented smart colleague took care of me for about 4 years. He reached me everything. From PHP to C to high and low level programming. Without him I would be in a very different situation. After that first job I got a decent job at another company. Few years later I was able to start…

A pho developer? Hope they have you company hoisin.

That was back in 2004.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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"I grew fed up of being stuck in this e-commerce framework – having to work with its hyper-normalised MySQL database (the EAV model)" 2011? Had to be Magento. Not a great fit with what they were trying to accomplish. Not that they seemed to have a clear understanding of how to accomplish what they wanted, which was to throw spaghetti at a wall and hope something made them rich.

Yes, it was Magento. And you're right about the rest too :)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This one was a US company. Since I knew everyone involved, I’m fairly certain we weren’t a front for the Yakuza. It was fun though, had lots of freedom and could do anything I thought necessary.

Ah, I see. Was it truly a subsidy of an US company, or one of those "name and brand" licensing things they do in Japan and China?

It was truly a US company (well, Japanese subsidiary of one). It’s total size was 8 employees across the entire world, so I had a fairly complete view ;)
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