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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

xerox13ster wrote: post #227
wintermutestwin wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the behavior of those companies that completely disrespect and tramples their customer right Here is a "radical" idea: what if we had an Apple users union? What if Apple had to justify their app censorship to that union? What if the union could vote that censorship out? Our current capitalistic model assumes that competition is the solution for the consumer, but the Apple/Google stranglehold is essentially indisrupt…

Something like an agency to protect consumers?

The problem with consumer protection agencies is that they're subject to regulatory capture. Politicians take Apple's money, or are subject to threats to remove thousands of jobs from their jurisdiction.

What you really want is a third party app store which is operated as a co-op, supports multiple platforms (making it easier for users to switch and keep their apps), and has enough users to have bargaining power.

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

endisneigh wrote: post #237

Build web apps and free yourself from the tyranny of closed ecosystems. It's Closed vs. Open. Only the web is open. 99% of apps on both the Play Store and App Store could be implemented as web apps with no loss in functionality - in fact a very large chunk of them are web apps, simply wrapped in a web view.

Users want a local app for no real reason, as evidenced by the thousands of apps that are nothing but a wrapper around a web application.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by smolyeet »

endisneigh wrote: post #237

Build web apps and free yourself from the tyranny of closed ecosystems. It's Closed vs. Open. Only the web is open. 99% of apps on both the Play Store and App Store could be implemented as web apps with no loss in functionality - in fact a very large chunk of them are web apps, simply wrapped in a web view.

Or just switch to a platform that allows third party apps

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by alerighi »

tlholaday wrote: post #170
flohofwoe wrote: post #135

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"Side loading" (what a terrible word for what should be the normal way of installing software) could be disabled by default, and behind an extra scary warning screen in the settings which explicitely warns the user about the consequences. At some age (maybe starting at 16 or so?), people should be allowed to make their own decisions without "helicopter companies" hovering above them all the time telling them what to…

> … people should be allowed to make their own decisions … Should they be allowed to decide to buy a device whose manufacturer maintains a sole-source app retailer?

Most people don't know this thing when they go to buy the device, and of course nobody will tell you about that. If on the box there is written "THIS DEVICE WILL ONLY RUN SOFTWARE APPROVED BY APPLE", how many people would buy that? In reality most people don't know this thing.

They discover it later, when they ask some more expert friend "can you install me an app to do so, like the one you have on your phone", and you have to explain that no, you can't because Apple didn't approve it for the store. And then they understand that they made a bad choice, but it's too late.

Or when someone goes to you asking for an iOS app and you have to explain that putting it on the store (the only way they can install it permanently, even if they need it only on one phone) they will have to spend a lot of money. While with Android you just give them the .apk and you are done. And most of the time these customer will buy Android phones because it's cheaper to buy a new phone than get the app on the store.

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Post by LucidLynx »

user-the-name wrote: post #164
LucidLynx wrote: post #113

How funny it is to remove this app because it "loads executable" as they released Swift Playground years ago... Plus the new feature of creating and packaging your iOS / iPadOS app + uploading it, directly on the iPad. Apple seems to contradict its own rules since a few years now.

The rules include a limited exception for educational purposes, which Swift Playgrounds also falls under.

You're totally right. Thanks!

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by TroisM »

nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

> Choose Android, get actual access to your device

lol, not sure which android you are talking about... probably the one where you need to find an exploit to be able to root it (I guess even HN forgot that you are supposed to be administrator on your own computer)

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #234
wintermutestwin wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the behavior of those companies that completely disrespect and tramples their customer right Here is a "radical" idea: what if we had an Apple users union? What if Apple had to justify their app censorship to that union? What if the union could vote that censorship out? Our current capitalistic model assumes that competition is the solution for the consumer, but the Apple/Google stranglehold is essentially indisrupt…

I love it but the main power a union wields is the collective action of the members to strike. When the union says "Ok, Apple isn't cooperating, so everyone... " ...actually, what would you have the members do? Turn off icloud? Stop buying new airpods? You will never get all the "users union" members to give up one atom of convenience.

If the union members are willing to strike, i.e. go without pay for an arbitrarily long period of time, why wouldn't users be temporarily willing to go without anything, when they know there is a good self-interested reason for doing so?

Saying "people won't do that" is just a self-fulfilling prophecy. Convince them that it's in their interest and they will.

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Post by arvinsim »

durovo wrote: post #191
toxik wrote: post #163

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It’s funny that we software developers have been so coddled into thinking that we don’t need unions because we get paid enough for our work. Yet we all know and see these oversteps by companies, taking away our very ability to work our trade as we see fit, piece by piece, inch by inch. I support the EFF, but that’s basically all I know how to do. Imagine if Google’s software developers went on strike every time they…

I don't understand how unions would help here. Closed platforms are in the interest of developers. Devs make a good amount of money on closed platforms like iOS. Closed platforms are not in the interest of users.

Developers are also users.

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Post by smoldesu »

endisneigh wrote: post #237

Build web apps and free yourself from the tyranny of closed ecosystems. It's Closed vs. Open. Only the web is open. 99% of apps on both the Play Store and App Store could be implemented as web apps with no loss in functionality - in fact a very large chunk of them are web apps, simply wrapped in a web view.

If the platforms are equivalent in functionality, then why can't Apple let people freely sideload native apps?

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Post by AnonC »

swiley wrote: post #188
newscracker wrote: post #174

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I agree with most of your points. > Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy I disagree with the word “marginally” here. Compared to Android, it’s far better and keeps staying ahead (while Android may try to catch up for certain features and controls).

Almost all iOS apps are sending telemetry to data brokers like Facebook and the platform makes open source stuff extremely hard. It really is marginal when you look closer.

If you're someone who's able to figure out how to block such things on Android, then you'd be happy to know that this is possible on iOS by using apps like Lockdown that work completely on-device. [1]

[1]: https://lockdownprivacy.com/

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