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Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by pengaru »

cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> 4. Brings temporary residents into neighbourhoods that have no tie to that neighbourhood.

You're completely missing the real problem with this.

It's not just that short-term rentals bring in transients, keeping the housing unit available for short-term rentals displaces long-term residents who would have ties with the neighborhood, and in the best case of owner-occupied not just ties, but pride in ownership and a vested interest in maintaining both good relationships with the neighborhood and good working order of their property.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by prawn »

jimbob45 wrote: post #64
alex_smart wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is no real gain in productivity from allowing rental housing other than some scummy landlord who lives three states away getting a bit richer off of the dime of the actual residents in the city. Aren't you completely ignoring the customers of AirBNB in this picture? Namely, the people who only visit the city for short periods of time? Also, it is not very clear from your phrasing, do you mean that nobody shoul…

Hotels exist for largely the same capacity as AirBNB and tourists wouldn’t likely see much of a difference other than drastically reduced prices. I mean houses shouldn’t be available to rent. Apartments are another matter entirely because they use space much more efficiently in a city.

If you're a family with 3 kids and a dog, in a city for a 6-12 month job placement or temporarily until you find a house in an area closer to work/family, why shouldn't you be able to rent a house with a yard?

Or if I'm taking a job placement overseas for a year, why shouldn't I be able to rent it out while I'm away and provide an opportunity to a renter in my place?

Transactional costs where I live (stamp duty, agent selling fee, mortgage costs) historically meant that you rent less than five years or buy if staying longer than that. Might've changed since I read that info, but there's a point where the best action changes.

There are people who don't want to buy and don't want an apartment. There are places where there are virtually no apartments.

Housing affordability is absolutely an issue, but I don't think your suggestion is at all reasonable.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by throwaway9980 »

pengaru wrote: post #241
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> 4. Brings temporary residents into neighbourhoods that have no tie to that neighbourhood. You're completely missing the real problem with this. It's not just that short-term rentals bring in transients, keeping the housing unit available for short-term rentals displaces long-term residents who would have ties with the neighborhood, and in the best case of owner-occupied not just ties, but pride in ownership and a v…

This is a really important point that you’ve called out. All of those Airbnbs in your neighborhood are preventing the formation of new communal relationships.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by cletus »

eyeundersand wrote: post #230
callmeed wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 4. Brings temporary residents into neighbourhoods that have no tie to that neighbourhood. Where I live we call this "tourism"

Was going to make a similar comment. Don't see how this is being viewed as a negative.

Tourists aren't a negative per se. Tourists staying in illegal hotels in areas and buildings not designed for such in a way that sometimes belies their total lack of having to deal with any of the consequences... that's something else.

Rowdy parties, property damage (including common areas), harassment and nuisance, more serious violence and even cases of running a meth lab... that's something else.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by throwaway9980 »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #115
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> But AirBnB is clearly used to create illegal hotels and that's the problem. The solution is increased enforcement of the laws that make these illegal. The incentives aren't difficult: Create an anonymous tip line to report illegal AirBnB operations that violate zoning regulations. Have submitters provide the street address and URL of the AirBnB to make it easy. The person operating the AirBnB (or owner of the house…

If Airbnb is violating local laws it seems like a simple subpoena would yield the necessary information.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by prawn »

trident5000 wrote: post #26
DoubleDerper wrote: post #21

The AirBnb "effect" has directly led to increased home prices. A home turning a profit thus becomes more important than how its guests impact a neighborhood and community. Ignoring or spinning the social costs is a primary goal of Airbnb's PR machine. It has made many neighborhoods more transitory (i.e. less homesteading, more short term rentals). Acknowledge the social costs to community and it's not surprising to r…

We had anti-hoarding measures on masks but dont seem to have them on homes. Every additional income property you own (and used as such) should have an escalating hoarding penalty.

State government where I live floated a change to land taxation. Previously, any property beyond your home was subject to a tax. Developers got around this by having each development owned by a different entity. The state government intended to change this so that your ownership of a sub-entity counted - if you owned a trust that owned property, that counted against you.

Developers were aggressively vocal in lobbying against this. Every excuse in the book. Not sure if it ever got through, but the developers shut up about it so maybe they won.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

pengaru wrote: post #241
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> 4. Brings temporary residents into neighbourhoods that have no tie to that neighbourhood. You're completely missing the real problem with this. It's not just that short-term rentals bring in transients, keeping the housing unit available for short-term rentals displaces long-term residents who would have ties with the neighborhood, and in the best case of owner-occupied not just ties, but pride in ownership and a v…

> You're completely missing the real problem with this. It's not just that short-term rentals bring in transients, keeping the housing unit available for short-term rentals displaces long-term residents who would have ties with the neighborhood, and in the best case of owner-occupied not just ties, but pride in ownership and a vested interest in maintaining both good relationships with the neighborhood and good working order of their property.

Didn't they cover that with item #1: "1. Reduces housing supply"? I don't think they missed it.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by forz877 »

stickfigure wrote: post #47
dorchadas wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if it wasn't for people turning that supply into AirBnBs to satisfy their short term greed and tourists, there wouldn't be as much of an issue. AirBnB has certainly contributed a lot to the lack of supply in major tourist destinations.

Tourists are people too. This really seems like an extreme version of nativism.

Tourism isn't always good. Places get trashed, many "tourist" destinations are starting to regulate because people come in, trash the place, and don't give a fuck and leave. It's sad

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by wonder_er »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #115
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> But AirBnB is clearly used to create illegal hotels and that's the problem. The solution is increased enforcement of the laws that make these illegal. The incentives aren't difficult: Create an anonymous tip line to report illegal AirBnB operations that violate zoning regulations. Have submitters provide the street address and URL of the AirBnB to make it easy. The person operating the AirBnB (or owner of the house…

Prohibition has already been tried with alcohol and drugs. Lets leave it in the past.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by bostonsre »

jolux wrote: post #160
bostonsre wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, I think future residents should be allowed to join a city without being penalized. The artificially constrained housing supply and NIMBY-ism seems very unamerican to me.

In some ways it’s very American, it’s just the side of America that we’re not proud of. Property owners benefit from the status quo of housing scarcity, and they are the most powerful bloc in local politics.

Yea, very true.. there usually seems to be a strong resistance to change around giving others an opportunity to chase the american dream that is mirrored pretty well with artificially constrained housing supply/nimbyism. There is always that contingent of the population that wants to close the door behind them to prevent others from attaining what they have already reached. At least we always seem to have that opposite view point to oppose them.
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