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Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Post by Breza »

theshrike79 wrote: post #118
atrus wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if I'm looking for a time waster, I'll start on Reddit, just by habit. Then I'll go to TikTok when I see the first one on Reddit. It doesn't take very long anymore these days. I remember people on Reddit making fun of facebook saying everything on there was on Reddit 3 days ago. The tables have turned since then.

TikTok seems to be the #1 source for video content nowadays, the algorithm is just uncanny how fast it learns what you like.

Agreed! I downloaded the app, saw 10 minutes of teenage girls dancing, and deleted it. My friend talked me into giving it another chance. After a few hours, it was consistently delivering videos that were exactly my taste. I've never had such a good discovery experience.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Post by oehpr »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #86

Pretty simple explanation, they let the clearly copyright infringing content in to their walled-garden under safe harbour protections, but allowing download is contributory infringement with distribution and there's no hiding from that as they can clearly easily prevent it (as they have). Super hypocritical? Sure. Understandable? Also a yes.

It really chafes me that that somehow "looking at a video on a computer" managed to find itself legally distinct from "downloading it".

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Post by willis936 »

Arrath wrote: post #228
willis936 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of person-to-person: links decay but screenshots do not. A screenshot is a record that I know doesn't have any trackers and won't one day disappear. It's the information that I want to send and nothing more.

The persistence of a screenshot (or any image) depends entirely on the hosting platform, though. How many image hosts have gone down over the years, leaving niche forums with broken image links in the middle of otherwise very useful posts? Is there any guarantee that even reddit will keep around image posts uploaded to its own servers, forever?

Person-to-person means not hosted by anyone. Sending a png screenshot over sms or imessage or signal, etc. means the image is bytes on a personal device. How the other person manages their data is their own business.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Post by jkelleyrtp »

Akronymus wrote: post #153
neutronicus wrote: post #134

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Yeah, my wife scrolls /r/all, expands posts (some of them text posts), and closes them, possibly clicking into the comments to discuss. If, at any point, she accidentally follows a link, it really pisses her off It's nice to have videos, images, and short articles in a familiar layout I know I'm much more likely to click a recipe link if it's a self-post, because recipes on non-reddit websites always seem to be gated…

> If, at any point, she accidentally follows a link, it really pisses her off is it partially because new reddit is a SPA that just craps itself when going to a external link and loses where you were?

It’s mind boggling - the primary feature of Reddit being a link aggregator - and clicking on a link breaks everything. Literally, Reddit will say “I’ve broken, please reload me” if you try to “go back” from the link you just clicked on.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Post by hn8788 »

crtasm wrote: post #136
hn8788 wrote: post #126

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You can use RES and ignore the bots, then you'll never see them. If you don't want to use RES, you could always just block them through reddit and get the same effect. It's not hard.

Can RES change comment counts? E.g. I see "post title, 1 comment", click to see what someone said but it's a bot. Blocking (ignoring?) the bot on reddit doesn't change the "1 comment" part.

I don't think it does, but I've never considered it that much of an issue to spend 2 seconds clicking the back button if there are no visible comments. It's not like you know who's posting anyway, so it's always a crapshoot whether it's going to be a bot, relevant comment, or just someone posting something like "+1" or "^^This".

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Post by Breza »

cloverich wrote: post #216
piva00 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, Twitter went through the same process, locking down its API, introducing usage quotas and getting increasingly more hostile towards Twitter clients that circumvented the ad-serving side of it. I remember it was a shitshow at the time, probably around 2012, I worked for a company that was leveraging Twitter's API for a product and we got quite nervous about the hostility.

To extend, the company would not be sustainable without the ads, so not being hostile towards it could literally put them out of business. There's a balance but ultimately they eschew ads at the start to achieve more growth, knowing they can recoup their losses at a later date. It is a bait and switch in that sense, which is in turn a very legitimate thing to be pissed about. But any company hosting content for free…

> To extend, the company would not be sustainable without the ads

This is accurate. And Twitter runs a lucrative data sharing business. In Q1 they made $137 million from data licensing. So there are two reasons they've locked down access.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Post by TchoBeer »

OwlsParlay wrote: post #191
kevincox wrote: post #90

Once upon a time Reddit was a link aggregator. You would post a link and the author would get credit. You could save the link without Reddit. But Reddit is moving towards first party content. Not only has the site added native photo and video upload support but many communities disallow external content. Requiring a reupload or a screenshot. This not only removes the link to the actual creator but is also a nightmare…

Taking a screenshot on your phone is far easier than finding where Share is in your current browser. Sharing is a mess.

I've in the past used chrome and Firefox on mobile and Share has never been a mess

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Post by superkuh »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #109
kevincox wrote: post #90

Once upon a time Reddit was a link aggregator. You would post a link and the author would get credit. You could save the link without Reddit. But Reddit is moving towards first party content. Not only has the site added native photo and video upload support but many communities disallow external content. Requiring a reupload or a screenshot. This not only removes the link to the actual creator but is also a nightmare…

> I wonder why sharing of links is so unpopular It’s because the most active parts of Reddit’s user base prefer it this way. Reddit has become about rapid-fire content consumption without leaving the site. Following a link and actually reading an article for 5-10 minutes isn’t as exciting as rapidly consuming a few videos, a few screenshots, and a few self posts along with the top comments for the most interesting on…

The most active parts of reddit's userbase showed up after facebook became unpopular and after the original reddit userbase was successfully driven off during the monetization period (2012-2015) following accepting large amounts of capital from third party corps.

Reddit's use-case now is mostly just a facebook that isn't facebook. This is exemplified by the addition of user profiles and the ability to "post" to your own user profile as well as customized profile avatars.

I agree with your description of reddit as it is. But the reason for this is that reddit stopped being reddit almost a decade ago. Sharing links is unpopular because Reddit is now Facebook.

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Post by footlose_3815 »

kevincox wrote: post #90

Once upon a time Reddit was a link aggregator. You would post a link and the author would get credit. You could save the link without Reddit. But Reddit is moving towards first party content. Not only has the site added native photo and video upload support but many communities disallow external content. Requiring a reupload or a screenshot. This not only removes the link to the actual creator but is also a nightmare…

Reddit turning to shit is the reason why I’m commenting here today.

I got on Reddit in 2009 when it reminded me of YC/HN. text only, cooler heads prevail, it’s not completely overrun by 12 year olds and Russian trolls yet.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Post by superkuh »

oehpr wrote: post #242
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #86

Pretty simple explanation, they let the clearly copyright infringing content in to their walled-garden under safe harbour protections, but allowing download is contributory infringement with distribution and there's no hiding from that as they can clearly easily prevent it (as they have). Super hypocritical? Sure. Understandable? Also a yes.

It really chafes me that that somehow "looking at a video on a computer" managed to find itself legally distinct from "downloading it".

It's one of the more impressive mass delusions lawyers have managed to impose on modern society.

Somehow if you call downloading something "streaming" and promise to delete it it is no longer downloading.

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