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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by A_non_e-moose »

rowanG077 wrote: post #174
fab1an wrote: post #45

The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)

Well not to say that it was not smart what Musk did. The guy did shitpost first and Musk responded. It's not like Musk just out of nowhere started hammering the guy.

Pedophilia accusations might be just a tad overescalated as a response to "your sub sucks"...

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by j4yav »

jb775 wrote: post #226
andi999 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me hiring an investigator to find dirt on a guy who bruised your ego by pointing out correctly that the sub sucks, is already crossing a lot of lines for me.

It wasn't just bruised ego, the guy brought legal charges against Musk claiming libel. How is hiring a 3rd party to investigate the underlying libel not a good initial response? Especially if he could easily afford it.

He had already called him pedo guy amongst other things at that point (i.e., the libel in question in the first place). So it couldn’t have come from the investigation that came later about the libel. The timeline just doesn’t make sense.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by kaba0 »

loceng wrote: post #185
geomark wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw and touched the sub; it was featured at a science expo in Bangkok not long after the rescue. It was a metal tube with some plexiglass plates on it with air valves mounted in them. I'm sure there was some engineering involved, but didn't seem at all impressive. My son was a big fan of Elon, the "cool rocket guy". But after his comments about Unsworth he asked me "Why did Elon say that stuff about the man who is…

So now you can update your son based on another comment we know that Elon was lied to by a private investigator - and seems safe to assume his comments based on that faulty/made up information; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27796249 Elon is a good role model, he's not perfect though. I'm not sure why so many people blindly put him on a pedestal assuming he should be superhuman - especially at the abnormal leve…

A scam billionaire that did nothing by himself is anything but a role model.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by rPlayer6554 »

dools wrote: post #154

This is such an awe inspiring story, and at the same time it made me sad. It reminded me of the story of a young Rwandan girl who was about the same age as those trapped boys when she and her family escaped to the Congolese jungle … I can’t remember her name but she ultimately survived and has become a public activist. She tells her story now frequently and I remember her saying that she though the entire world must…

Could you/someone post the link to the article or her name?

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by rowanG077 »

A_non_e-moose wrote: post #241
rowanG077 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well not to say that it was not smart what Musk did. The guy did shitpost first and Musk responded. It's not like Musk just out of nowhere started hammering the guy.

Pedophilia accusations might be just a tad overescalated as a response to "your sub sucks"...

I agree. But I already said that.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by janci »

fastasucan wrote: post #120
janci wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not assume I know better. I am just asking why any of these ideas would not work. > What are you even basing this statement on? As I understand it, the transport was immensely difficult. The divers and the rescued kids were at great danger. It is unbelievable to me they managed to save them without any special solution. I'm sorry if my comment was misunderstood.

How do you know that this wasn't the easiest/only option? (Since you said it was the hardest).

From the article:

>Later, after the water had run off, you could see that down at the bottom, where the boys walked in, there were much larger gaps. But the divers couldn’t attach anything to the muddy bottom when laying out the guide lines. They had to follow along the ceiling. The only path they found was through the narrow passageways.

As I understand it, they had to use the narrow passages at the top because they were not able to discover the wide gaps near the bottom. I assume some equipment could help with that making the transport easier once a more comfortable path was found.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by kaba0 »

sundvor wrote: post #190
saalweachter wrote: post #169

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The good news is that the Tesla is far from your only option for an electric car at this point.

Pretty much thanks to Tesla. Electric cars wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today without him - whatever we may think of his personality, the advancements in tech and environmental impacts for generations to come are real.

Do you have any info on what is actually new in Teslas? The only hard problem of electric vehicles is the battery - which is third party in Teslas. So what exactly is novel there?

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by janci »

jimsimmons wrote: post #139
janci wrote: post #47

I still don't get it. The tunnels were too narrow near the ceilling, but wide near the floor. The divers could not keep at the floor because they could not navigate due to zero visibility, zero communication and no tether points. Would not a sonar help? A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Laying down some flexible tunnels that could be inflated with air or maybe just pumped with clear…

You ask as if these people were working with Iron Man and Jarvis. The things you describe would take at least weeks to build. “Full space suit like helmet with air to be able to talk over radio “ retrofitted to work with whatever dive equipment they had loll. What else? Maybe they could have a Mac n cheese dispenser in the side too

From the article:

> There was even a discussion about leaving the 12 kids and the football coach inside the cave for the whole rainy season and providing them with food and supplies from outside for months.

I suppose building the equipment for few weeks is better than waiting for months to end of rainy season.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by janci »

makeitdouble wrote: post #199
janci wrote: post #47

I still don't get it. The tunnels were too narrow near the ceilling, but wide near the floor. The divers could not keep at the floor because they could not navigate due to zero visibility, zero communication and no tether points. Would not a sonar help? A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Laying down some flexible tunnels that could be inflated with air or maybe just pumped with clear…

I think it was also filled with mud , or is it what you cover with the “no tether points” part ? My take away from the article is that there could have been many more solutions, some more clever, some involving more gear etc., but they were completely short of time and verified information to come up with other viable plans. Basically any other plan would have needed more checks, preparation, waiting for the gear to…

> filled with mud

As I understood there was mud layer that prevented the divers to navigate near the bottom (no way to tie a string as to anchor point to not get lost in zero visibility, no way to feel where the bottom is, etc.). But not so much mud that only the narrow passage was left.

> And as said in the beginning of the interview, they feared the kids would be dead any day

They would be dead if they did not find them on the last day, as it was considered to stop the search. Once the kids were found and supplied with food they had enough time to plan, prepare, rehease, re-check and execute the rescue.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by incrudible »

sandworm101 wrote: post #144
camjohnson26 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vernon Unsworth. He sued Musk for libel in the United States and lost. Musk not only called him "pedo guy" on Twitter, but implied he had married a child bride, when he hadn't, and later hired a private investigator to dry to dig up dirt on Unsworth, which found nothing. Musk also sent this letter to Buzzfeed where he doubled down. He thought it was off the record, and says some terrible things: https://www.buzzfeedn…

>> supporting conspiracy theories accusing chief justice John Roberts of pedophilia and murder I miss the good old days when such accusations were extreme. Reporters would hesitate to say the word pedophile on air. Airing such an accusation would almost certainly trigger a serious defamation lawsuit. News outlets would instead talk of unspecified personal accusations. Now, thanks to a certain popular letter-based con…

If the accusation is ludicrous enough, the "artistic license" defense can work. Alex Jones has used it. Tucker Carlson has used it. Rachel Maddow has used it. There's a difference between serious factual reporting and shitposting on Twitter. The fact that some readers might not be able to distinguish the two may be disturbing, but it should not guide jurisdiction.
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