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Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 8:48 AM UTC

tripzilch wrote: post #240

skrebbel wrote: post #203

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I'm amazed at what people in the US earn. Seems like the Netherlands is a developing country after all. I'm rather certain that my employer rates me in at least what you describe as the "under 100k" range, but I earn 40k euros per year. Do you guys all go on holidays to Latin America 3x per year? And have six broadscreen TVs? And villas with seaside views? Or is a 1 liter bottle of coke just also 10$ in the US?

hee skrebbel! :D see this http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/7413/2008usincomedistribu... I had to massage a whole bunch of numbers from bls.gov to get this histogram (huge list of annual income per county per occupation group), it's not exactly the kind of data they like to publish :) Of course this is 2008, mostly before the recession. Would be interesting to see if they got new data and how it changed. And this is…

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Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?

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Post by bradfa » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 4:35 PM UTC

gnosis wrote: post #231

bradfa wrote: post #213

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I still work for my first employer after I graduated from college 6 years ago. I took their first salary offer without negotiation. I thought it was a good offer and I didn't know any better. Turns out, I could have asked for 10% more and still been in their range. In the 6 years I've been with the company, I've gotten a good number of raises. I now make 39% more than I did 6 years ago. Due to the recession, some har…

I've made at least 30% to 50% increases every time I jumped from job to job, and never stayed at a job more than a year. You'll very rarely wind up getting as much in raises when you continue working for the same company year after year, unless you manage to get constantly promoted or are lucky enough to find yourself working for a startup that makes it big (and doesn't screw its shareholding employees over like Skyp…

I'm not willing to relocate from upstate NY (starting a family, local extended family, own a house) and my pay is already in the range I could find at other companies in the area. I could probably get a 10 to 15% bump going somewhere else but that's about it. I also get the impression that jumping from job to job every year is frowned upon locally. That may not be the case everywhere.

Getting 30% increases each year means after 6 years you're making almost 4x what you started at! Congrats! That's just not possible where I live without starting your own company and being very successful.

Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?

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Post by drinian » Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 4:59 PM UTC

skrebbel wrote: post #203

sshumaker wrote: post #154

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Interesting. When doing hiring, I've always mentally divided developers into different categories than you've been suggesting: - 65k (entry-level) - under 100k (intermediate, or junior with a lot of promise) - 100-125 - most of my hires have been in this range - mid-level, talented, solid programmers - 150k+ - 'lead' / superstar level. It's very rare to find candidates that meet this level. Beyond 150-200k range, mos…

I'm amazed at what people in the US earn. Seems like the Netherlands is a developing country after all. I'm rather certain that my employer rates me in at least what you describe as the "under 100k" range, but I earn 40k euros per year. Do you guys all go on holidays to Latin America 3x per year? And have six broadscreen TVs? And villas with seaside views? Or is a 1 liter bottle of coke just also 10$ in the US?

What rights do you have as an employee? Vacation time, maternity leave, severance pay?

In the US, these things are not mandatory. Good employers (like mine) are relatively generous, but not like what I've heard in Europe.

Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?

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Post by lucian1900 » Mon, Jul 25, 2011, 1:43 AM UTC

charlesdm wrote: post #54

lucian1900 wrote: post #40

FFS, I'm getting paid £15k. I asked for £25k and was laughed out of the office.

Where are you living?

Newcastle. For now.

Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?

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Post by lucian1900 » Mon, Jul 25, 2011, 1:44 AM UTC

roel_v wrote: post #120

lucian1900 wrote: post #40

FFS, I'm getting paid £15k. I asked for £25k and was laughed out of the office.

How is that possible? Does an iPod cost 1/2 of a monthly wage where you live? How much does someone cleaning toilets make? Or are we talking net income here, after all taxes etc?

Someone cleaning toilets full-time would make around £10k. This is income before taxes.

No iPads for me.