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Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by chiefalchemist »

zzyzxd wrote: post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

Fyi. In Firefox you prefix your search with the engine you want to use. That is, DDG can be your start and you can conveniently use Google as needed.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by freedomben »

amoshi wrote: post #101
zzyzxd wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The frustration I am talking about is: Check query result -> realize the result is bad -> scroll back to the search bar -> place cursor at the beginning of the query -> enter "!g" -> redirect to Google.com It is not too bad on desktop, but doing it once on a smartphone is more than enough to push me to switch back to Google.

The !g can be almost anywhere in the query, it just can't be followed by non-whitespace or prefixed by special signs.

This is what I wanted to say. It's a life saver on mobile especially. Just append !g to the query (or !gi for google images, !gm for maps, etc)

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by jonathansampson »

annoyingnoob wrote: post #157
tnorthcutt wrote: post #25

Reminder that Brave has done some morally questionable things in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Controvers... They've since corrected both of those things, but those are enough for me to choose not to trust them as an organization.

I'm concerned about what happens to data Brave collects when Brave decides to sell itself. At some point they could be attractive to acquire.

Brave doesn't collect user data. We believe in Can't be Evil over Don't be Evil.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by gigamatt »

I've been working on this private search engine https://private.sh/ for a while. It encrypts your query using client-side javascript so only the Gigablast search engine can read your query. And your query is delivered to Gigablast through an anonymizing proxy that is not in Gigablast's control. So you get TOR-like privacy. Also Gigablast's privacy policy https://gigablast.com/privacy.html shows that your query is not transmitted to 3rd parties or used for anything other than to return your results. Gigablast also has 0 dependencies on Bing or Google.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by jonathansampson »

threatofrain wrote: post #207

How does Brave plan to handle relations with law enforcement and their requests? Will Brave offer a mechanism to uniquely identify the most offensive users?

Not sure what you're referring to here; Brave doesn't have any user data. We don't collect it to begin with. We believe in Can't be Evil over Don't be Evil.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by azinman2 »

throwaway292893 wrote: post #236
azinman2 wrote: post #217

I find it very interesting that Eich was outsted from Mozilla for his anti-gay stance, and much of HN was in agreement at the time, yet this seems to never come up with Brave despite LGBTQ rights having far stronger support today. Why is that?

Yes lets all grab pitchforks and chase him out of town because of his religious beliefs. So sick of leftists and your constant attacks in the name of diversity. Go find a hobby, you're not trying to further any cause or help anyone, you're just looking to cause drama and attack people. It was the majority opinion to oppose same-sex marriage. Are we going to cancel everyone who once or still supports it? Remember we a…

First, I’m not looking to cause drama or attack anyone. I’m genuinely curious and to know what changed? It was a big deal then, but seems to never surface with anything Brave related since. And as they make bigger and bigger splashes, and this continues to not come up, I’m wondering why that is?

You’re making a lot of assumptions about me, my motives, and belief structures. I’m just seeing a change in behavior on this issue in combination with larger societal sea changes, and wondering about the inconsistency.

Meanwhile it sounds like you’re wanting to grab a pitchfork and chase me out of town for asking a question rooted in curiosity, which I understand to be the basis for HN conversation.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by chiefalchemist »

smoldesu wrote: post #152
axaxs wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same excitement here. I'd love to see anyone(Brave or others) chip away at my Google dependencies, even if they charge me for them. I already love Brave as a browser, so here's hoping search pans out. I don't mind a company profiling me. A lot of Google's cross interacting products work great(Gmail to Calendar and Maps, for example). I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data. A guy can dream...

> I don't mind a company profiling me Not everyone has that luxury. > I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data Then your data is worthless to them. Nobody wants companies to abuse their personal data, that's why it's such a lucrative business. Companies like Apple and Brave get away with it by edging out competition and instating their own standards (see: Brave's Ad "replacement"). It's all so rid…

You should read The Age of Surveillance Capitalism.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=swMo1sK5ntk

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by jonathansampson »

open-paren wrote: post #219
jonathansampson wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We support many shebangs, with more to come in the future. For now, this is what is offered: !i - Search Images !n - Search News !a - Amazon !b - Bing !d - DuckDuckGo !e - eBay !g - Google !p - Pinterest !r - Reddit !s - StartPage !w - Wikipedia !li - LinkedIn !gh - GitHub !gm - Google Maps !so - Stack Overflow !tw - Twitter !yt - YouTube !wa - Wolfram Alpha !mj - Mojeek !osm - Open Street Map !mdn - Mozilla Develope…

If that's all that's offered, why does DDG's obscure shebangs work on Brave Search? https://search.brave.com/search?q=!hn+brave+search

Oh, apologies for the confusion. We support DDG's shebangs too; the above list is what we add to the list.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by onli »

allyourhorses wrote: post #106

Based on the principles in the blog post alone ( https://brave.com/brave-search-beta/ ), this will obviously be my new default search until it's proven sufficiently unusable. DDG's usability has always been a bit of a problem for me, it feels more like a perl wrapper over some search bookmarks than an engine in its own right. Will give this one a go for a while, there is literally every reason to try and few reasons…

I used brave search over the last week or so. It worked well for me, with less failed searches than on DDG, which sadly often does not work for me for more local queries. It did not feel unusable at all.

Note that I already liked cliqz before (properly evaluating how good a search engine is is hard, so that might have introduced bias).

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by tomjen3 »

lopatin wrote: post #102
zzyzxd wrote: post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

Just curious, why are you opposed to search ads? They are already targeted by your search query, so don't fundamentally rely on tracking data.

I can't answer him, but there is a peace of mind not having ads talk (is not the right word) to you, even absent everything else. As in I can actually set my attention to something and finish a coherent whole without having to give any attention to ads.

I didn't realize this until I installed Sponsorblock which got rid of the last ads I was seeing there. Suddenly I could focus on whatever they were creating and the video was talking about without having my attention diverted to something else.

Maybe that is just me, but that is why I now mind ads.

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